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Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker[W:220:563]

Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

Wow! That was pretty close to incomprehensible, with all those aborted clauses and inappropriate commas, which I suspect are supposed to be periods.

But I'll do my best to respond

You mean sorta similar to the fact that nobody really being particularly concerned if it happens to matter to you whether I self identified or not? Yeah.

The fact that you self-identified (I'm assuming that you're referring to your belief in God's existence), and if that matters to me, is obviously of some "concern" to at least one poster. If it weren't, you wouldn't have asked for my opinion about the issue.

Just might give others, who may actually be here to debate, a baseline, maybe allows me a little more objectivity, not having to defend a specific religion while also letting those who are up for real debate a bit more understanding of exactly where I am coming from.

You seem to think I have objected to your "self-identification". I have not.


But, per usual, notice you do not answer the actual points made, instead you start immediately a campaign to assault... not of my arguments, but only the more extraneous points, or my character... think that is the best debate strategy, is it?

It seems that you think my first response to you in this thread was a comment about you. It wasn't. It was about the preacher.

You remember the preacher, right? He's one of the subjects of this thread
 
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Neither is the 29,000 sexual assaults in the military over the past year...but where ever you find human beings, you'll find sexual activities. Even the birds and bees do it.

Wait till boy and gril scouts merge...as one giant scout organization.

Just so I may prepare myself more properly...

Will we be saying, "Ja, mein Führer"...or more along the lines of "Da, comrade Removable"?

Certainly want to be ahead of the curve, to be fully prepared for this new, wonderful social order where everyone and everything is, by social mandate, the exact same...

chaos...and way way way boring...
 
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Just so I may prepare myself more properly...

Will we be saying, "Ja, mein Führer"...or more along the lines of "Da, comrade Removable"?

Certainly want to be ahead of the curve, to be fully prepared for this new, wonderful social order where everyone and everything is, by social mandate, the exact same...

chaos...and way way way boring...

Well, I must say...very creative response. You came up with: "Ja, mein Führer"...or more along the lines of "Da, comrade Removable"?... in less than 30 minutes. Now that's not boring at all. But you're dragging a bit with "wonderful social order where everyone and everything is, by social mandate, the exact same..."

I'm forced to say that your ending words, "chaos...and way way way boring..." isn't becoming at all.
 
Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

Churches and the BSA are both private organization and therefore should be permitted, under a free society, to discriminate against whomever they want.

Of course, the rationale for their discrimination is silly, although bigotry, by definition, has no rationale.
 
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What's wrong with it? I see no problem with a church not allowing another group that has disagreements with them using their building.
 
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Well, I must say...very creative response. You came up with: "Ja, mein Führer"...or more along the lines of "Da, comrade Removable"?... in less than 30 minutes. Now that's not boring at all. But you're dragging a bit with "wonderful social order where everyone and everything is, by social mandate, the exact same..."

I'm forced to say that your ending words, "chaos...and way way way boring..." isn't becoming at all.

For some, Hitler is involved in everything

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...iends-fetus-w330-338-a-67.html#post1061866750
 
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Wow! That was pretty close to incomprehensible, with all those aborted clauses and inappropriate commas, which I suspect are supposed to be periods.

Note how this poster starts with an attack on what is pertinent in this debate, my points, right? No? What an anomaly...right? NOooooooOOOOOooo. Not hardly, ha ha.



The fact that you self-identified (I'm assuming that you're referring to your belief in God's existence), and if that matters to me, is obviously of some "concern" to at least one poster. If it weren't, you wouldn't have asked for my opinion about the issue.

Hey, I must not have been that incomprehensible if you were able to accurately assume I was referring to my belief in the existence of a creator. What exactly were the other options available to you with all your assumptive powers?

Actually I am only "using" you as a vehicle to make my points... I am debating the idea and so you post, I respond, though I am not always just talking to you, sangha... no offense...

And here is what I was actually asking your opinion about, that which you conveniently left out of your quote of my quote, "what is it that you believe that they believe that is "stupid"?...and then the follow up, as to what you think is smart about the view of the opposing side...





You seem to think I have objected to your "self-identification". I have not.
So, remind me who is the incomprehensible one again, then? Here is the quote of what you said...

"I don't know where you got the idea that whether or not a creator exists is a matter of debate in this thread."

Seems to me that, your view on whether or not I believed or not, as brought up in this thread, did not meet your standards of some sort...I have no idea why you took that extraneous point of me setting a baseline, as being something that just did not need be done here in the thread...so yeah, extraneous ...and yet that is what you focused on?

Anomaly? Again, no.




It seems that you think my first response to you in this thread was a comment about you. It wasn't. It was about the preacher.

Again, this is what you said,

"I don't know where you got the idea that whether or not a creator exists is a matter of debate in this thread."

That was was not directed at me? This, as you allude below, is about the pastor Greg? So whether a pastor believes in the existence of God, and then is making a decision about whether, if he does genuinely desire to follow those beliefs, that he should follow his God's written guidance on a matter, that is what you were trying to say with that line to me quoted above?

I do not believe you in either case. I believe I was correct in my first assumption.



You remember the preacher, right? He's one of the subjects of this thread
yeah yeah yeah.

To make it a little easier for you to decipher my byzantine attempt to elicit a response from you on something pertinent....

Questions:

1. What is it that you believe that they believe that is "stupid"?

and...

2. What you think is smart about the view of the opposing side?


Just so you do not continue to avoid the pertinent while making a big deal of the extraneous...
 
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Note how this poster starts with an attack on what is pertinent in this debate, my points, right? No? What an anomaly...right? NOooooooOOOOOooo. Not hardly, ha ha.



Hey, I must not have been that incomprehensible if you were able to accurately assume I was referring to my belief in the existence of a creator. What exactly were the other options available to you with all your assumptive powers?

I didn't say it was incomprehensible. I said "close to incomprehensible"

Actually I am only "using" you as a vehicle to make my points... I am debating the idea and so you post, I respond, though I am not always just talking to you, sangha... no offense...

And here is what I was actually asking your opinion about, that which you conveniently left out of your quote of my quote, "what is it that you believe that they believe that is "stupid"?...and then the follow up, as to what you think is smart about the view of the opposing side...

I have no idea who your "they" refers to. My first response to you referred to the pastor, and "he" is not a "they"




So, remind me who is the incomprehensible one again, then? Here is the quote of what you said...

"I don't know where you got the idea that whether or not a creator exists is a matter of debate in this thread."

Seems to me that, your view on whether or not I believed or not, as brought up in this thread, did not meet your standards of some sort...I have no idea why you took that extraneous point of me setting a baseline, as being something that just did not need be done here in the thread...so yeah, extraneous ...and yet that is what you focused on?

Anomaly? Again, no.






Again, this is what you said,

"I don't know where you got the idea that whether or not a creator exists is a matter of debate in this thread."

That was was not directed at me? This, as you allude below, is about the pastor Greg? So whether a pastor believes in the existence of God, and then is making a decision about whether, if he does genuinely desire to follow those beliefs, that he should follow his God's written guidance on a matter, that is what you were trying to say with that line to me quoted above?

I do not believe you in either case. I believe I was correct in my first assumption.

My "first response to you in this thread" was not the post you just quoted. Here's the post I was referring to:

It does if "what you actually believe" is something stupid

The "you" in that post refers to the preacher.



yeah yeah yeah.

To make it a little easier for you to decipher my byzantine attempt to elicit a response from you on something pertinent....

Questions:

1. What is it that you believe that they believe that is "stupid"?

and...

2. What you think is smart about the view of the opposing side?


Just so you do not continue to avoid the pertinent while making a big deal of the extraneous...

Again, I have no idea who your "they" is referring to.
 
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Well, I must say...very creative response. You came up with: "Ja, mein Führer"...or more along the lines of "Da, comrade Removable"?... in less than 30 minutes. Now that's not boring at all. But you're dragging a bit with "wonderful social order where everyone and everything is, by social mandate, the exact same..."

I'm forced to say that your ending words, "chaos...and way way way boring..." isn't becoming at all.

Awwww....I would say sorry, but have not gotten my orders from headquarters yet...so stay tuned in this brave new world that you folks leaning more left are just making bigger, less diverse, more cumbersome and, as stated previously, way way way more boring...

PS #2 Awww... would say sorry [can't yet, see above] about not getting back to you earlier, but really, all minutes are just the same as other minutes, right? So one minute or 30 minutes are just 30 same boring minutes, isn't that the way you are angling us towards?

My focus is not always here, by the way... I do have some other just as "exciting" things going on simultaneously....
 
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Oh you are on the right track, but just have not picked up on all the little bread crumbs I spread so thoroughly for you, hungry sangha, to lead you to the concept, not of Hitler, but along with those myriad other "hints" I left you with regards to the Stalin and Mao style, the idea of all of us being led towards a statism, where the state/government becomes our forced religion... that we are all made to follow, the state religion being the worship of the state itself.

So, guessing you cannot see the Stalinist/Maoist statist forest for all the Hitler trees in the way, blinding you, apparently.

Where is Sherlock Holmes when you need him, huh?
 
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Oh you are on the right track, but just have not picked up on all the little bread crumbs I spread so thoroughly for you, hungry sangha, to lead you to the concept, not of Hitler, but along with those myriad other "hints" I left you with regards to the Stalin and Mao style, the idea of all of us being led towards a statism, where the state/government becomes our forced religion... that we are all made to follow, the state religion being the worship of the state itself.

So, guessing you cannot see the Stalinist/Maoist statist forest for all the Hitler trees in the way, blinding you, apparently.

Where is Sherlock Holmes when you need him, huh?

I regret to inform you that Sherlock Holmes is in on the Statist Plot.
 
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some people claim muslims have no tolerance for gays

l wonder if they see these threads
 
Re: Boy Scouts Banned By Alabama Pastor Greg Walker

I didn't say it was incomprehensible. I said "close to incomprehensible"



I have no idea who your "they" refers to. My first response to you referred to the pastor, and "he" is not a "they"






My "first response to you in this thread" was not the post you just quoted. Here's the post I was referring to:



The "you" in that post refers to the preacher.





Again, I have no idea who your "they" is referring to.

I ignore the heavy fertilizer spread all over the top there [ nothing is growing so maybe you could work on weeding some of the extraneous out? Just a suggestion as I am not going for your avoidance maneuvers any longer].

If you read the original post setting up this thread, it included this link here Pastor says Boy Scouts can no longer meet at his church

And should you read that, you will see that it starts out with this line, "Some local churches say they will no longer allow Boy Scout troops to meet on their campuses after the Boy Scouts of America voted to allow openly gay scout members. "

You see, as the article puts it, "First Baptist Church of Helena Pastor Greg Walker is one of the church leaders unhappy with the decision to allow openly gay scouts.

Get who the they are now? [ Besides, you didn't think I would not notice that you were imprecise when you, sangha, used "you" to mean "he" or "him" as regards the pastor? And yet you take the time to criticize my "they", which is actually more correct in the actual context of what is being discussed in the thread, rather than "he". How ironic huh?]

But to make it even more obvious and in terms you might be able to grasp to some extent.

Questions:

1. What is it that you believe that he, the pastor, [ and they, the other churches ] believe that is "stupid"?

and...

2. What you, sangha, think is smart about the view of the opposing side?
 
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I regret to inform you that Sherlock Holmes is in on the Statist Plot.

Recommend highly, and immediately, getting some help from him then... its sorely needed. That is, only if you actually want to figure out what is pertinent and what is not.
 
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I ignore the heavy fertilizer spread all over the top there [ nothing is growing so maybe you could work on weeding some of the extraneous out? Just a suggestion as I am not going for your avoidance maneuvers any longer].

If you read the original post setting up this thread, it included this link here Pastor says Boy Scouts can no longer meet at his church

And should you read that, you will see that it starts out with this line, "Some local churches say they will no longer allow Boy Scout troops to meet on their campuses after the Boy Scouts of America voted to allow openly gay scout members. "

You see, as the article puts it, "First Baptist Church of Helena Pastor Greg Walker is one of the church leaders unhappy with the decision to allow openly gay scouts.

Get who the they are now? [ Besides, you didn't think I would not notice that you were imprecise when you, sangha, used "you" to mean "he" or "him" as regards the pastor? And yet you take the time to criticize my "they", which is actually more correct in the actual context of what is being discussed in the thread, rather than "he". How ironic huh?]

But to make it even more obvious and in terms you might be able to grasp to some extent.

Questions:

1. What is it that you believe that he, the pastor, [ and they, the other churches ] believe that is "stupid"?

and...

2. What you, sangha, think is smart about the view of the opposing side?

1) He believes that Christianity requires him (and them) to not allow BSA to use his facilities. That is stupid

2) The opposing side believes that he (and they) should allow the BSA to use his facilities. That is smart
 
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Very sad that so-called "Christians" would want the Boy Scouts to discriminate against children who are homosexual.

First of all, the Boy Scouts are not the Sexual Scouts, they have no need, as that is not the intended purpose of the organization, to declare a sexual preference at all.

And, if they. BSA, have beliefs that follow in line with the dominant religion of the nation and want to rather maintain that philosphy and creed, how is it YOU and people like you can call that discrimination[ in the bad sense]. We all discriminate when we buy one car over another, why cannot people choose to associate with people who agree to a certain traditional religious lifestyle that they, and many of their parents, desire? Why is it you want to DICTATE to everyone else what they are REQUIRED to believe?

I am tired of this bullying from the left not being called out, put on BLAST so everyone can see the hypocrisy of the requirement of tolerance by all others, intolerance by YOU, the liberal left. YOU are discriminating and oppressing these folks from exercizing their first amendment rights of freedom of religion and freedom of assembly.

Be gone with such statist thought domination.
 
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Very sad that so-called "Christians" would want the Boy Scouts to discriminate against children who are homosexual.

According to the Bible, homosexuality is a sin. It would be quite hypocritical of Christians to support sin.

What's the Libbos's favorite acronym?..."WWJD"? What Jesus would do, is tell gays they are sinners and they should repent and change their ways.
 
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1) He believes that Christianity requires him (and them) to not allow BSA to use his facilities. That is stupid

2) The opposing side believes that he (and they) should allow the BSA to use his facilities. That is smart

Okay, making a certain amount of progress here...

Now...

1. Why is it stupid to actually follow and stand up for one's freely held beliefs? Beliefs under the Constitution that are classified under religious freedom? Just because you and the left want to impose your own definition of what everybody else must believe is right and wrong? The state gets to decide? Remember those statism crumbs laid down for you earlier [ suggestion: make that call to Sherlock if in a quandary ] ?

2. Why is it smart for someone to give in, to just toss their own principles, and cower to the bullying? Why doesn't your side do that instead of our side, if you believe so little in your principles while we believe so much in ours? Besides, you already seem to believe in caving into another belief, apparently. That would be smart, right?
 
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1) He believes that Christianity requires him (and them) to not allow BSA to use his facilities. That is stupid

2) The opposing side believes that he (and they) should allow the BSA to use his facilities. That is smart

It's stupid to base your whole opinion in what's stupid and what isn't on political correctness.

I guess you think it would be equally smart for this preacher man to allow the AVN Awards to be held in his church, too?

Dammit! There needs to be a law against people's religious freedom! This whole freedom thing has gotten way out of hand!
 
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Especially when their principles were as reprehensible as being the anti-gay bigots that they were.

Just wondering...

are the people that are anti anti-gay [ or pro gay calling others bigots who have a different belief on what is moral and what is not ] ...are they too bigots for believing that way? Or is this just the normal one way, left turns only allowed, fascism that we are all supposed to believe is the correct way to go?

Just wondering how intellectually honest you are about people who disagree with you.
 
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Okay, making a certain amount of progress here...

Now...

1. Why is it stupid to actually follow and stand up for one's freely held beliefs? Beliefs under the Constitution that are classified under religious freedom? Just because you and the left want to impose your own definition of what everybody else must believe is right and wrong? The state gets to decide? Remember those statism crumbs laid down for you earlier [ suggestion: make that call to Sherlock if in a quandary ] ?

2. Why is it smart for someone to give in, to just toss their own principles, and cower to the bullying? Why doesn't your side do that instead of our side, if you believe so little in your principles while we believe so much in ours? Besides, you already seem to believe in caving into another belief, apparently. That would be smart, right?

1) I have already explained that it is stupid to stand up for one's beliefs when those beliefs are stupid

2) It is always smart for someone who believes in something stupid to "give in" and admit that their beliefs were stupid.
 
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1) I have already explained that it is stupid to stand up for one's beliefs when those beliefs are stupid

Now that is some feat of circular logic...it is stupid because, as you said before, that it just is stupid...nicely proven in the most efficient liberal fashion... I am sure you must think the work is done here, huh?

What is stupid about it? And really, more to the point, what is illegal about it... why should they be so bullied from their beliefs by you folks? Since it is a legal religious belief, based on at least thousands of years of civilizational practice that have, obviously, been very very successful for Christians, they being the number 1 religion in the world with 2 billion adherents... what have your statist-religon type groups done lately?

2) It is always smart for someone who believes in something stupid to "give in" and admit that their beliefs were stupid.

So, right about now you should be giving in, four ..three...two...one....make the jump...

Oh that's right, you are unable...my bad...
 
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