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    Re: Amid scandals, Obama's approval dips

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I love you man, and not in that 'let's take long hot showers together' sorta way.

    During the BushII years lock step Republicants rode with BushII through all kinds of shot and shell. It wasn't until the total collapse of our economy did the rat's bail, and yes they bailed hard. A very famous man from my state once observed very correctly, 'I am not a member of an organized political party, I'mma Democrat!'

    Oh how the course of national history would have been changed if the dems could muster half the lockstep lemming dance the Pubs can.

    Obama would have to launch a war in Syria over a nuclear program suddenly 'discovered' at the warhead stage- to be later found out a fabrication.

    Then install missiles in the former Soviet 'stans to 'defend' against rogue missiles.

    And finally have the domestic economy collapse again.

    In order to get anywhere near the dismal ratings of BushII.

    The 'Conservatives' are throwing everything they have against the wall to see what will stick. I don't see it sticking for long or causing any 'collapse' as those on the Right are predictably claiming.
    As you can see by the graph the Bush approval rating surged after 9-11 then fell steadily over the course of his terms. The dems never supported him except for a brief period after 9-11 so those were Bush supporters falling off at a steady rate.

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    Re: Amid scandals, Obama's approval dips

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Bronson. Yeah you would have thought the left would have figured that part out.....U know the part about how the Independents are viewing things. Do you think that Flash will dawn upon them? When they are out talking about.....its Conservatives that are driving all of this now. Do you think missing one word out of a statement will be able to help them understand the likes of CBS and Politico? Since they wont be able to blame R-wing news sources?
    It's not just Obama's approval that is dropping either. Hillary is still liked overall, but she's losing Independents too.

    National (US) Poll - May 31, 2013 - American Voters Like Clinton O | Quinnipiac University Connecticut

    Her score is down substantially from her all-time high score in February. The drop in her favorability is substantial among men, Republicans and independent voters. One reason for her drop may be that 48 percent of voters blame her either a little or a lot for the death of the American ambassador in Benghazi," Brown added.

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    Re: Amid scandals, Obama's approval dips

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    It's not just Obama's approval that is dropping either. Hillary is still liked overall, but she's losing Independents too.

    National (US) Poll - May 31, 2013 - American Voters Like Clinton O | Quinnipiac University Connecticut
    Yeah, and with all starting to know that the Libyans had warned the State Dept 48hrs in advance of the attack. I doubt Hillary can claim she didn't know anything about sending Stevens out there in the first place. Plus they already hooked her for managerial failures. That was their own Review board. Trying to absolve her would be ludicrous.

    Although she may be liked......hopefully she sees the writing on the wall. As most know how she likes to exaggerate things. Course this time. She knows.....she cant just shed a fake tear and all will be forgotten.

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    Re: Amid scandals, Obama's approval dips

    Sadly this was all timed too early, IMO. Imagine this coming out in October of 2014? American's have a short memory on things like this this and the politicians know it.

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    Re: Amid scandals, Obama's approval dips

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Sadly this was all timed too early, IMO. Imagine this coming out in October of 2014? American's have a short memory on things like this this and the politicians know it.

    Tim-
    Which is why Issa will wait to call Hillary back.....as well as allow the Democrats to hold up as much of his investigation as they want. Time is against them. Already he is spacing out the Whistleblowers. Which is just over Benghazi. Sure would hate to see anything else pop up wherein more people come out of the Woodwork. Then you know the Demos are abandoning ship on Obama.

    Already they are starting to speak out about him.

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    Re: Amid scandals, Obama's approval dips

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    As you can see by the graph the Bush approval rating surged after 9-11 then fell steadily over the course of his terms. The dems never supported him except for a brief period after 9-11 so those were Bush supporters falling off at a steady rate.

    bush approval ratings.jpg
    And just when I was gonna soap your back ya pull this crap!

    Even if the country was divided 50/50 there was longer than a 'brief period' where ALL Americans supported our 'Wah time Setting President'. Where BushII lost much needed support among the People was Independants. As late as 2008 just under half the dems thought BushII had at least a fair amount to do with the stopping of terrorist attacks. Pew

    But in a Dec 2008 poll on is his legacy one of accomplishments or failure only 33% of Repubs thought he it is failure, while 83% of dems thought it was a failure , BUT so did 68% of Independents.

    So at the bitter end 2/3rds of the Repubs still clung to the belief BushII wassa winner while it was Independents by the same percent who saw him as a Loser.

    I do understand many highly partisan folks see the world as 'with me or agin me' but the truth is as many folks want what works over party label.

    The key point of governance you overlook is the GOP in Congress rode hard to the bitter end with BushII even as the crash was starting, only as the Presidential elections heated up did the congress critters suddenly embrace 'change'.

    Nice try though...

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    Re: Amid scandals, Obama's approval dips

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    And just when I was gonna soap your back ya pull this crap!

    Even if the country was divided 50/50 there was longer than a 'brief period' where ALL Americans supported our 'Wah time Setting President'. Where BushII lost much needed support among the People was Independants. As late as 2008 just under half the dems thought BushII had at least a fair amount to do with the stopping of terrorist attacks. Pew

    But in a Dec 2008 poll on is his legacy one of accomplishments or failure only 33% of Repubs thought he it is failure, while 83% of dems thought it was a failure , BUT so did 68% of Independents.

    So at the bitter end 2/3rds of the Repubs still clung to the belief BushII wassa winner while it was Independents by the same percent who saw him as a Loser.

    I do understand many highly partisan folks see the world as 'with me or agin me' but the truth is as many folks want what works over party label.

    The key point of governance you overlook is the GOP in Congress rode hard to the bitter end with BushII even as the crash was starting, only as the Presidential elections heated up did the congress critters suddenly embrace 'change'.

    Nice try though...
    Your partisan assessment of the graph is noted and rejected.

    Nice try though....

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    Re: Amid scandals, Obama's approval dips

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Your partisan assessment of the graph is noted and rejected.

    Nice try though....
    Laughing, there is a TV show called myth busters where one of the guys says, "I reject your reality and substitute my own!" How is reminding you there is such a thing as independent and examining the polls by party affiliation somehow partisan?

    Given your graph doesn't show what political party is still hugging BushII and the Pew polls do, I'd suggest the Repubs stayed until their nuts got wet n then fled the sinking ship! While poll numbers can swing around a bit, the usual breakdown is 25 to 30% either dem or repub with the rest 40% or so Independent. Given that and the final dismal approval rating in the mid 20's seems like the lock step Repubs road it down to the bitter end. More so in Congress.

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