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IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show[W:249]

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Mithros said:
Consider it a given that the IRS used "conservative" keywords to help identify groups which potentially engaged in impermissible levels of politics.

Did the IRS do anything other than this? How did they ruin peoples lives?
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Yes, so far they have mislead the american people, congress, they have ideologically targeted harassed, conspired with other agencies to join in the harassment, delayed approval of doing business, and while doing this sailed through demo organizations that were applying with the same flags.

Now, if you think this is acceptable use of the IRS only because you like what they did, then we have nothing to discuss, but the information on this scandal is readily available all over the net, rather than play dumb, I suggest you educate yourself....Oh, and BTW, demo's in congress are just as mad as repubs over this, it is only the political hacks that seem to be enjoying and supporting what the IRS did here.
 
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j-mac said:
Yes, so far they have mislead the american people, congress, they have ideologically targeted harassed, conspired with other agencies to join in the harassment, delayed approval of doing business, and while doing this sailed through demo organizations that were applying with the same flags.

Now, if you think this is acceptable use of the IRS only because you like what they did, then we have nothing to discuss, but the information on this scandal is readily available all over the net, rather than play dumb, I suggest you educate yourself....Oh, and BTW, demo's in congress are just as mad as repubs over this, it is only the political hacks that seem to be enjoying and supporting what the IRS did here.
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The Democrats are acting like Democrats and taking the politically safe position. They're the invertebrate party.

There are lots of allegations available all over the net, but the facts are contained in a relatively few documents. What evidence do you have that the IRS conspired with other agencies? Considering that the groups in question didn't actually need to wait for approval, how did the IRS delay anyone's ability to conduct business? Crossroads GPS was never approved, and they managed to funnel more than 70 million dollars into the 2012 election.

And what about ideologically harassed? Is there any evidence at all that conservatives faced more scrutiny than groups of other ideological leanings? Conservatives spent 85% of the money on political adds, accounted for 80% of the groups applying, yet only accounted for 66% of the groups investigated. That doesn't look like the kind of data fingerprint that a systematic bias would leave.

I'm not claiming that the IRS did nothing wrong. And I'm certainly not claiming that there's no incompetence in the IRS. But where's the scandal? These groups deserved to be investigated. In fact, the Senate had been holding bipartisan hearings for the past year as to why political groups were allowed to operate under the guise of 501c4 organizations. That's the scandal.
 
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Fenton said:
We shall see, but right now Republican Congressmen and Democrat Senators in the Senate are asking for peoples individual accounts of harassment.

Not too mention the people that have already made their struggle with the IRS public which started right afyer they sent ONE ceck in to support Romney.

The IRS released list of donors to Democrat activist groups and Democrats in an effort to intimidate any one who didn't support Obama.

This level of corruption is unprecedented and your'e defending it with your continued mitigations.

Eventually its going to come down to a choice for people like you.

Your'e either going to accept it and be sincerely apologetic or your'e going to accept it and say it was justified and more needs to be done.

The choice of " it never happened" just isn't there anymore.
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What evidence is there that supports this crap? :lamo
 
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Deuce said:
Would you describe these groups as primarily political in nature?
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Of course they were.

Were you describe the efforts of the government to conspire against them eliminate their free speech, confound the opposition to the campaigning president and harass private citizens on behalf of the committee to re-elect the president as Primarily political in nature?
 
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azgreg said:
It's possible we now know why she took the 5th.
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If the problem was a couple rogue agents in Cincy, her response would have been that she understood the problems and was addressing it.

Her response was that if she revealed what she knew, it would incriminate her. As the department head, an employee who got a big bonus for doing her job well, she knew what was happening and obviously her boss did as well.

Why is nobody saying "I am outraged by this and I'll get to the bottom of it" and then firing those who are about to get prosecuted?

If you don't know why, you are a Democrat.
 
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pbrauer said:
What evidence is there that supports this crap? :lamo
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Oh first off lets ignore the apolgy, the Stonewalling of top IRS officials, Lois Lerner taking the Fifth, the first lie that it was isolated to a few " front line employees in Cinci". ( those guys have come forward since then and stated they were merely taking orders from higher ups,) the fact that its spread to other Cities including DC.

The first hand accounts of people being targeted, harrassed, visited by the FBI, the current DOJ CRIMINAL investigation, the fact that the House Comittee has rounded up close to a hundred people from the IRS that are going to give depositions.

And then lets take your ridiculous highly suspect claim of a " lack of evidence."

Face it, you elected liars, incompetents and criminals who targeted innocent people.....and your'e proud of it too.

Unreal. My guess is there is NO evidece great enough that will force you or any other Corrupted Liberal to admit their huge lack of judgment.

Its starting to reflect on the mentallity of each denier individually.

What ? I'm not sure yet. Humility is not a sttong suite of the American Liberal.
 
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Fenton said:
Oh first off lets ignore the apolgy, the Stonewalling of top IRS officials, Lois Lerner taking the Fifth, the first lie that it was isolated to a few " front line employees in Cinci". ( those guys have come forward since then and stated they were merely taking orders from higher ups,) the fact that its spread to other Cities including DC.

The first hand accounts of people being targeted, harrassed, visited by the FBI, the current DOJ CRIMINAL investigation, the fact that the House Comittee has rounded up close to a hundred people from the IRS that are going to give depositions.

And then lets take your ridiculous highly suspect claim of a " lack of evidence."

Face it, you elected liars, incompetents and criminals who targeted innocent people.....and your'e proud of it too.

Unreal. My guess is there is NO evidece great enough that will force you or any other Corrupted Liberal to admit their huge lack of judgment.

Its starting to reflect on the mentallity of each denier individually.

What ? I'm not sure yet. Humility is not a sttong suite of the American Liberal.
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Just as I thought, you have no evidence this involves anyone in the Obama administration. .:cool:
 
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Mithros said:
No joke. What did the IRS do to target conservative donors? How did they ruin peoples lives?

We know that the IRS used "conservative" buzzwords to help identify groups potentially engaging in impermissible political activity. Did they do anything else?
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The more that comes out about this the more it looks like some of the more serious allegations are likely correct. So far it has been alleged that, in addition to targeting conservative groups, the IRS was also involved in information laundering. They took the information(donor lists, membership lists, names, addresses, phone numbers, etc...) that they demanded of these groups applying for tax exempt status and gave them to the liberal media outlet ProPublica. ProPublica then used that information to smear conservatives.

If true this is a blatant abuse of power. It also turns out that the same campaign aid of Obama's(I forget her name) that got caught lying during the campaign about not knowing anything about that stupid add that claimed Romney was responsible for a woman dying of cancer was actually in a meeting with the head of the IRS at the White House during one of his 150 plus visits there. What the hell is a key campaign aide doing meeting with the head of the IRS? Maybe it's nothing but I for one would like an explanation.
 
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pbrauer said:
Just as I thought, you have no evidence this involves anyone in the Obama administration. .:cool:
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LOL !!

Yea, this all was the doing of a few front line employees who were just trying to find a way to make their jobs easier....

Lets put it this way, there is far more evidence now that implicates him and his low life ilk.

Just think when all of this washes out, your'e going to complicit in the election of the most corrupt administration in our Nations History.

Something for you libs to be proud of no doubt.
 
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Mithros said:
The Democrats are acting like Democrats and taking the politically safe position. They're the invertebrate party.
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So, they should be more authoritarian eh? Interesting....

There are lots of allegations available all over the net, but the facts are contained in a relatively few documents. What evidence do you have that the IRS conspired with other agencies?
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More people are coming out daily, but the investigation by congress is not concluded on this subject.

Considering that the groups in question didn't actually need to wait for approval, how did the IRS delay anyone's ability to conduct business?
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Based on the harassment of these people not only for their organizations, but their personal businesses, and families as well, I'd say they made their lives hell.

Crossroads GPS was never approved, and they managed to funnel more than 70 million dollars into the 2012 election.
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Crossroads is a different entity from that of a mom, and pop tea party. You know that.

And what about ideologically harassed? Is there any evidence at all that conservatives faced more scrutiny than groups of other ideological leanings?
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Yes keep up with the hearings and you will hear it.

Conservatives spent 85% of the money on political adds, accounted for 80% of the groups applying, yet only accounted for 66% of the groups investigated. That doesn't look like the kind of data fingerprint that a systematic bias would leave.
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Isn't it wonderful how easy it is to manipulate statistics?....

I'm not claiming that the IRS did nothing wrong.
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No, you are just making excuses for it, and basically saying that because it was directed at what you view as your political enemy then it was ok.

And I'm certainly not claiming that there's no incompetence in the IRS.
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Come on man, one of the questions was what does your group pray?

But where's the scandal? These groups deserved to be investigated.
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And there it is...In its full glory.....sad.

In fact, the Senate had been holding bipartisan hearings for the past year as to why political groups were allowed to operate under the guise of 501c4 organizations. That's the scandal.
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I see, so if the demo controlled senate holds the hearings, all's good, but if the repub controlled house holds oversight, it's a witch hunt....I think I see a patern from you....
 
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Jack Fabulous said:
The more that comes out about this the more it
looks like some of the more serious allegations are likely correct. So far it has been alleged that, in addition to targeting conservative groups, the IRS was also involved in information laundering. They took the information(donor lists, membership lists, names, addresses, phone numbers, etc...) that they demanded of these groups applying for tax exempt status and gave them to the liberal media outlet ProPublica. ProPublica then used that information to smear conservatives.

If true this is a blatant abuse of power. It also turns out that the same campaign aid of Obama's(I forget her name) that got caught lying during the campaign about not knowing anything about that stupid add that claimed Romney was responsible for a woman dying of cancer was actually in a meeting with the head of the IRS at the White House during one of his 150 plus visits there. What the hell is a key campaign aide doing meeting with the head of the IRS? Maybe it's nothing but I for one would like an explanation.
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Stephanie Cutter
 
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I understand the partisanship on this site, I really do. However this is the IRS! We can all agree to hate the IRS right?
 
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Fenton said:
LOL !!

Yea, this all was the doing of a few front line employees who were just trying to find a way to make their jobs easier....

Lets put it this way, there is far more evidence now that implicates him and his low life ilk.

Just think when all of this washes out, your'e going to complicit in the election of the most corrupt administration in our Nations History.

Something for you libs to be proud of no doubt.
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There is none, otherwise you would produce it.:cool:
 
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azgreg said:
I understand the partisanship on this site, I really do. However this is the
IRS! We can all agree to hate the IRS right?
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Not the Obama apologist here.

Who demand " proof " as they ignore the obvious.

These people wouldn't bat an eye if the IRS froze every Republicans bank account as Homeland Security rounded them up.
 
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pbrauer said:
There is none, otherwise you would produce it.:cool:
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So you are rushing to declare a conclusion before an investigation is complete? How utterly objective of you pete.
 
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azgreg said:
I understand the partisanship on this site, I really do. However this is the IRS! We can all agree to hate the IRS right?
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You'd think so right?
 
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j-mac said:
So you are rushing to declare a conclusion before an investigation is complete? How utterly objective of you pete.
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Nope, I was responding to Fenton's ridiculous claims.
 
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pbrauer said:
Nope, I was responding to Fenton's ridiculous claims.
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Really? Because all I see is talking point pap, that can be read on a myriad of sites, from any generic liberal water carrier out there....In fact, I think I could print the threads from a dozen sites, and find your exact words by throwing darts.
 
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j-mac said:
Really? Because all I see is talking point pap, that can be read on a myriad of sites, from any generic liberal water carrier out there....In fact, I think I could print the threads from a dozen sites, and find your exact words by throwing darts.
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You can find those exact words in a dictionary as well. :cool:

All I need is hard evidence that the Obama administration is involved. You guys keep throwing **** against the wall until something sticks. I don't blame conservatives being pissed about the IRS situation, but somehow I think they are more intent on getting Obama than they are with resolving the issue.
 
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pbrauer said:
You can find those exact words in a dictionary as well. :cool:

All I need is hard evidence that the Obama administration is involved. You guys keep throwing **** against the wall until something sticks. I don't blame conservatives being pissed about the IRS situation, but somehow I think they are more intent on getting Obama than they are with resolving the issue.
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And if we resolve the issue and get Obama on the way?:mrgreen:
 
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Jack Hays said:
And if we resolve the issue and get Obama on the way?:mrgreen:
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Either way, Republicans will try to get him.
 
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tererun said:
hmmm, profiling people who are likely using tax free status improperly. I would not know any republicans who would do that to say muslims, blacks, latinos, atheists, jews, women.......Hey Mr pot, the kettle called and said you are black.
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I would not know any democrats who would suggest that is highly unethical if not illegal...Hey Mr. Pot, the kettle called and said you are black.

Now care to put forth actual arguments rather than hypocritical one sided accusations of biased treatment?
 
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pbrauer said:
Either way, Republicans will try to get him.
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Nah. Almost no longer worth the effort. If I were a Repub, that is.:mrgreen:
 
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pbrauer said:
You can find those exact words in a dictionary as well. :cool:
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Wow, what a great response....If you have nothing but disdain for opposing political viewpoint that is....:roll:

All I need is hard evidence that the Obama administration is involved.
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Well, some evidence has come to light, and the investigations are really just starting into this...Are you implying that nothing wrong was done?

You guys keep throwing **** against the wall until something sticks.
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Well, my goodness...Isn't that just a shame? You progressives dogged republican administrations on every bull **** charge when ever they are in office, and will continue to do so when they regain office again, but somehow think it is unfair when your guy in office comes under the same type of scrutiny....Can you say hypocrisy?

I don't blame conservatives being pissed about the IRS situation, but somehow I think they are more intent on getting Obama than they are with resolving the issue.
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Some are, sure....It takes two to tango buddy. Same thing happens regardless of who occupies the seat in the Oval Office. But, most people know that these sorts of things are NOT right, and full investigations need to happen, and regardless of party, if there is wrongdoing, that happened, then that person needs to go, period.

I am stunned by those that just think that because it is Obama, that it was fine to do, and hell some even relish in the fact that the IRS, among other agencies were used against their opponents. That is just not what America is, or should be about.
 
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