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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    Are those not Obama policies?
    you cant say advocating for higher taxes and bigger government isn't political, but advocating for lower taxes and smaller government is
    Yes, they're some of his policies, but certainly not all of them. These organizations are not permitted to campaign for him, they advocate policies that help lower income people.


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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    i was assuming you was replying to me because I also asked the same question and made a list of liberal groups that were definitely political in nature and they received their approval. So i apologize
    would you please post that list of "liberal" groups and share with us how you KNOW that they are, in fact, liberal
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    They don't advocate Obama, they advocate "social welfare" polices such as Medicaid, PPACA and the minimum wage.
    You will rationalize any level of Gestapo tactics in order to defend your GodKing Messiah. It's comical and embarrassing.


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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Yes, they're some of his policies, but certainly not all of them. These organizations are not permitted to campaign for him, they advocate policies that help lower income people.
    what you are failing to do is prove did any of those Tea party groups campaigned for any candidate?
    They didn't, because none got denied they was just put in limbo for over 27 months.
    they was target because of them endorsing opposing policies of the presidents

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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show - Open Channel




    drip drip drip
    And up the ladder it goes
    Remember it took a year into the Watergate scandal before Nixon was forced out of office
    I want this to be long, slow, and painful for this administration
    You WANT this to be national debilitating scandal?

    How is THAT good for America?

    Or are your interests something different?
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    I do not believe any amount of people committing suicide with firearms justifies requiring firearm sellers to preach to customers about suicide regardless if it would or wouldn't save those who commit suicide.

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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    would you please post that list of "liberal" groups and share with us how you KNOW that they are, in fact, liberal
    Just stop it. You're embarrassing yourself. The fact there was a double standard is not in dispute. The fact that religious groups, jewish groups, and conservative groups were specifically targeted for Gestapo tactics is NOT IN DISPUTE.

    IRS stalled conservative groups, but gave speedy approval to Obama foundation - Washington Post

    The IRS approved charitable status for the foundation, which was run by President Obama’s brother and named after his father, in about a month’s time. The IRS also agreed to give the group this important financial status retroactively, back to 2009, when it had begun its fundraising.

    The 34 days the IRS’s Cincinnati office took to process the foundation’s application stands in contrast to the waits of several months — and sometimes longer than a year — that several conservative groups say they experienced with the same office. Obama has apologized, saying Americans have a right to be angry that the office improperly targeted conservative groups for extra scrutiny.

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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    You WANT this to be national debilitating scandal?

    How is THAT good for America?

    Or are your interests something different?
    We want a Government that doesn't act like the Checka

    That's what isn't good for America

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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    what you are failing to do is prove did any of those Tea party groups campaigned for any candidate?
    They didn't, because none got denied they was just put in limbo for over 27 months.
    they was target because of them endorsing opposing policies of the presidents
    Exactly

    He's pretending like these groups weren't targeted with key words like "The Constitution" and "The Bill of Rights"

    Apparently if you support those things you are "Against Obama".

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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    In February of this year I got a letter from the IRS stating that I owed $27,000 in unpaid taxes from 2011.

    In 2011 I had sold about $75,000 worth of stock and used the money for a remolding project at my home. The sale was reported to the IRS and separately, my initial investment cost for the stock(this is all money that I'd already payed taxes on. Nothing pre-tax) was also provided to them. They failed to connect the sale to the initial purchase and immediately billed me for taxes on $75,000 of income that wasn't actually income. It was pretty much the same thing as if I had taken the money out of a savings account. But because it is the IRS we are talking about, I was presumed guilty and they gave me about 2 weeks to pony up 27 grand or face penalties and interest. I ended up having to go back to my accountant and they had to file an amended return for 2011. It cost me a little over $600 for them to do this. I ended up actually getting back $175 from the federal government because it turned out that the stock that I sold had lost a little of it's initial value.

    The bottom line is that the IRS wields an incredible amount of power. They can pull crap like this whenever they want and there is no such thing as "due process" when they target you. So when you hear about them being involved with targeting groups for political reasons it ought to scare the hell out of everyone.
    Any defense of their activities in this scandal is nothing more than a shameless display of partisanship.
    wrong
    it is posts such as yours that are the shameless displays of partisanship in this matter
    when testifying before congress the IG was asked if he saw any indication that the (objectionable) screening methods used by the IRS employees
    had any indication of being politically biased
    his response
    "NO"

    he, the IG, observed no partisanship
    but you and those of your political stripe have certainly made this a partisan political matter
    where it did not actually exist
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Just stop it. You're embarrassing yourself. The fact there was a double standard is not in dispute. The fact that religious groups, jewish groups, and conservative groups were specifically targeted for Gestapo tactics is NOT IN DISPUTE.

    IRS stalled conservative groups, but gave speedy approval to Obama foundation - Washington Post
    i asked for the list of 65 LIBERAL organizations you said you had compiled, and i asked for information about how they were determined to be LIBERAL
    you did not respond to that request
    thus, i must conclude your post was a lie, otherwise you could easily have submitted the list of LIBERAL organizations and explained how they were found to be LIBERAL
    just more made up bull **** because you have nothing else to use to slam the president

    how you cited the Obama organization
    let's look at how your referenced articled referenced that now non-profit entity:
    ... the Barack H. Obama Foundation sought tax-exempt status to raise money for good works in Kenya ...
    what about that says it is engaged in political elections activities?
    of course it sailed thru on the merit of the information contained in the application. if you read the IG report it explained that there were a number of MERIT exemptions for that reason

    now, a distinction needs to be made
    that Obama organization was approved as a 501c3
    what is in dispute was those applying for 501c4

    there is a significant distinction between the two, and that distinction is salient to this conversation
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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