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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    so advocating for the presidents policies isn't political, but protesting against them is?
    You are an insufferable ideologue, and your letting your bias cloud you common sense and logic to the point your making yourself look like a fool
    pardon me...? Perhaps you should check the thread for the post I replied to...before you let your ideology cloud YOUR intelligence...
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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    pardon me...? Perhaps you should check the thread for the post I replied to...before you let your ideology cloud YOUR intelligence...
    i was assuming you was replying to me because I also asked the same question and made a list of liberal groups that were definitely political in nature and they received their approval. So i apologize
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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    i was assuming you was replying to me because I also asked the same question and made a list of liberal groups that were definitely political in nature and i apologize
    Thank you for this.

    Earlier today we discussed the definition of 'social welfare' which I have been struggling to get my head around. It would seem that since governance being the fabric that maintains 'social order' through protection of rights (theoretically) any organization (left or right) engaged in issues/legislation/candidates (politics in general) would be engaged in 'social welfare'. I'm well aware that that is not at issue here but rather the targeting of one 'lean' which frankly is tyranny.
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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Aren't they all, but geeee the only ones the IRS targeted we're conservative groups. Is that a new relation that has just come to you
    Imagine if this had happened during Bush, Deuce's head would have exploded.
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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

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    drip drip drip
    And up the ladder it goes
    Remember it took a year into the Watergate scandal before Nixon was forced out of office
    I want this to be long, slow, and painful for this administration
    hmmm, profiling people who are likely using tax free status improperly. I would not know any republicans who would do that to say muslims, blacks, latinos, atheists, jews, women.......Hey Mr pot, the kettle called and said you are black.

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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    hmmm, profiling people who are likely using tax free status improperly. I would not know any republicans who would do that to say muslims, blacks, latinos, atheists, jews, women.......Hey Mr pot, the kettle called and said you are black.
    There is a difference between would and did. They did profile against republicans. In this case, the republicans have not profiled for any of your given reasons. Anything to get away from what really happened here.
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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    There is a difference between would and did. They did profile against republicans. In this case, the republicans have not profiled for any of your given reasons. Anything to get away from what really happened here.
    yes, and it is a known fact they stop and frisk black people more than whites. Joe arpio has just been found guilty of profiling hispanics and pulling them over more due to his prejudice. They have tried to put policies in place at homeland security to promote a more equal secuity check on all people because of profiling on muslims. Yes, these issues are mainly due to the racism and fears promoted by republican/right wing people. I have to say in some cases profiling makes a lot of sense. If you are looking for muslim terrorists who have threatened to blow up things you would probably want to focus on muslims. If you are looking for illegal hispanics you would probably want to check hispanic people. if you are looking for people trying to use tax free corporation status improperly you will probably want to focus on a group that hates taxes with a passion, especially when you have a huge increase in their applications.

    I am not saying some of this stuff is wrong from a logical law enforcement standpoint, but it certainly does suck when it comes down on your group. I can see why the IRS did it, and i can see why it causes people to be worried. I can also see it is part of their job to make sure people are not evading taxes, and that is extra money we have to pay. I also note that the application was never a necessity, nor did it actually stop the operation of these groups.

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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    yes, and it is a known fact they stop and frisk black people more than whites. Joe arpio has just been found guilty of profiling hispanics and pulling them over more due to his prejudice. They have tried to put policies in place at homeland security to promote a more equal secuity check on all people because of profiling on muslims. Yes, these issues are mainly due to the racism and fears promoted by republican/right wing people. I have to say in some cases profiling makes a lot of sense. If you are looking for muslim terrorists who have threatened to blow up things you would probably want to focus on muslims. If you are looking for illegal hispanics you would probably want to check hispanic people. if you are looking for people trying to use tax free corporation status improperly you will probably want to focus on a group that hates taxes with a passion, especially when you have a huge increase in their applications.

    I am not saying some of this stuff is wrong from a logical law enforcement standpoint, but it certainly does suck when it comes down on your group. I can see why the IRS did it, and i can see why it causes people to be worried. I can also see it is part of their job to make sure people are not evading taxes, and that is extra money we have to pay. I also note that the application was never a necessity, nor did it actually stop the operation of these groups.
    But this is a Federal level situation. It is also the most prying federal arm of the government.

    Joe is one guy on the border. The IRS is everywhere. Joe is a local. IRS is federal. Huge difference.
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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    But this is a Federal level situation. It is also the most prying federal arm of the government.
    yes, the IRS does have to confirm your claims and that does require you submit your taxes and things that other places would never see. We have areas in our society where people are trusted with information about you others are not allowed to see. For example hospitals are very prying and have your health records. Now if the IRS was broadcasting private info on the tea party organizations I would totally agree that was criminal and way out of line. But that is not what they are accused of doing. the IRS actually does try and keep it's records secure, though there are certain areas where the public does have a right to certain information. Still, the IRS has a purpose in getting your info, and doing things like audits. Are you telling us that the IRS should just trust everyone is paying their taxes without looking at any income information? You make and file your claims. yes, that means the IRS gets information no onbe else is shown. yes, they have a purpose and an interest in doing this, and certainly this is not something that falls just on conservatives.

    I will say i am all for a new tax code where the government does not get that information and collects taxes based on commerce. I buy something, I pay tax on the sale. My corporation buys something, it pays tax on the sale. No longer do we have to fill out income tax forms and report personal information tot he IRS because it can all be done POS and pretty much anonymously. I am actually for changing the system, but under the present system the IRS has a duty to investigate taxes and organizations that avoid paying taxes to make sure they are abiding by the exceptions to the code. If you want to change the code i am on board. if you want to politicize this into an attack on a certain party and not focus on actually reforming the code I am going to call it what it is, and that is a farce.


    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Joe is one guy on the border. The IRS is everywhere. Joe is a local. IRS is federal. Huge difference.
    Homeland security and police are not local only. they exist all across the US and are pushed into profiling all the time. In many cases they actually do it. Joe is just an example. I am wordy enough, I do not need to go out and show examples for every town in the US.

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