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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
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    It’s funny you failed to post the two next sentences. If one stipulates the ‘TEA’ stands for taxed enough already then wouldn’t their objective be ‘Seeking legislation germane to the organization's programs’ when it comes to tax policy? Further the sunset of the ‘Bush tax cuts’ was eminent in 2009-10 wouldn’t it stand to reason there would be a surge in organizations who planned tax lobbying? Given this wouldn’t they be legitimate 501(c)(4)’s based on the passage above?
    Yes, you can somehow do social welfare through legislative efforts. If you have a group that would qualify as a 501c3 EXCEPT for activity such as lobbying, you can file as a 501c4. But you still need to have a goal that's definable as social welfare. Actually in this case it argues for a stricter definition of social welfare.

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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Yes, you can somehow do social welfare through legislative efforts. If you have a group that would qualify as a 501c3 EXCEPT for activity such as lobbying, you can file as a 501c4. But you still need to have a goal that's definable as social welfare. Actually in this case it argues for a stricter definition of social welfare.
    MoveOn.org is a 501(c)(4). That's an easy standard to meet.
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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    MoveOn.org is a 501(c)(4). That's an easy standard to meet.
    The 501c4 is used to lobby, the PAC is used for electioneering.
    MoveOn.org Civic Action is a 501(c)(4) organization.
    MoveOn.org Political Action is a federal political committee

    All of these liberal groups divide their organizations. The Tea Party is more than welcome to do this. The lobbying part is complete BS, but it's specifically allowed under IRS guidlines because lobbyists write legislation.

    All the more reason to keep dark money out of politics.

    PS, since I consider MoveOn to be an abuse of the tax code, why would you think it should justify worse behaviour from conservative groups.
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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    The 501c4 is used to lobby, the PAC is used for electioneering.
    MoveOn.org Civic Action is a 501(c)(4) organization.
    MoveOn.org Political Action is a federal political committee

    All of these liberal groups divide their organizations. The Tea Party is more than welcome to do this. The lobbying part is complete BS, but it's specifically allowed under IRS guidlines because lobbyists write legislation.

    All the more reason to keep dark money out of politics.

    PS, since I consider MoveOn to be an abuse of the tax code, why would you think it should justify worse behaviour from conservative groups.
    I personally think they are all justified. I'd like to see no rules at all.
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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    The 501c4 is used to lobby, the PAC is used for electioneering.
    MoveOn.org Civic Action is a 501(c)(4) organization.
    MoveOn.org Political Action is a federal political committee

    All of these liberal groups divide their organizations. The Tea Party is more than welcome to do this. The lobbying part is complete BS, but it's specifically allowed under IRS guidlines because lobbyists write legislation.

    All the more reason to keep dark money out of politics.

    PS, since I consider MoveOn to be an abuse of the tax code, why would you think it should justify worse behaviour from conservative groups.
    What part about equal application of the law eludes you?

    Ill say it again, I would rather some people get tax status they do not deserve than government descriminate on the basis of political affiliation.

    Corruption is better than using government as a tool to chill political speech and political action, whether intentional or accidental, it doesnt matter---it should not occur.

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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    The use of government to punish political enemies is a hallmark of the banana republic.

    Welcome to Chicago, Politics, folks. For my part, I promise to be at least honestly ticked when the next Republican administration does the same to left wing groups, which is better than many of you have done here.

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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The use of government to punish political enemies is a hallmark of the banana republic.

    Welcome to Chicago, Politics, folks. For my part, I promise to be at least honestly ticked when the next Republican administration does the same to left wing groups, which is better than many of you have done here.
    Do you have any proof the Obama Administration did this to the Republicans?

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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Do you have any proof the Obama Administration did this to the Republicans?
    The IRS ADMITTED IT. wtf Pete.

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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    The 501c4 is used to lobby, the PAC is used for electioneering.
    MoveOn.org Civic Action is a 501(c)(4) organization.
    MoveOn.org Political Action is a federal political committee

    All of these liberal groups divide their organizations. The Tea Party is more than welcome to do this. The lobbying part is complete BS, but it's specifically allowed under IRS guidlines because lobbyists write legislation.

    All the more reason to keep dark money out of politics.

    PS, since I consider MoveOn to be an abuse of the tax code, why would you think it should justify worse behaviour from conservative groups.

    What behavior do you define as "worse behavior"?

    Can you link to an example of a documented abuse that your are hoping to prevent in the future that was committed by a Conservative group approved as a 501 c 4 after the Citizens United Decision was rendered?
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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I personally think they are all justified. I'd like to see no rules at all.


    No rules in an area regulated by the IRS?

    No rules means no control and no control means no IRS.
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