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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Remember, many of these groups lied on their applications. Sure it would be great if there were enough agents to properly investigate all applications. But budget cuts ensured that there weren't enough to go around.
    All the more reason to go after the 8-9 that do all of the spending, not the 80 or 90 that do none of the spending

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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    How is that clear evidence of abuse? If the IRS is out looking for "evidence of abuse" and there is "clear evidence of abuse" - why is it that these groups have not been charged or lost their tax-exempt status?
    That's what the senate has been investigating for the last year, and why Lois Lerner is in hot water.

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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    That's what the senate has been investigating for the last year, and why Lois Lerner is in hot water.
    Lois Lerner is in hot water because the IRS inappropriately targeted conservative groups, not because she allowed conservative groups to operate despite clear evidence of abuse.

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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Lois Lerner is in hot water because the IRS inappropriately targeted conservative groups, not because she allowed conservative groups to operate despite clear evidence of abuse.
    Mr. Daniel Werfel
    Acting Commissioner
    Internal Revenue Service
    1111 Constitution Avenue, N.W.
    Washington, DC 20224

    Dear Acting Commissioner Werfel:

    We are writing to urge you to suspend immediately Lois Lerner from her office as Director of the Office of Exempt Organizations at the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). We believe that Ms. Lerner failed to disclose crucial information concerning the IRS’s inappropriate targeting of some conservative 501(c)(4) organizations during the course of a Subcommittee investigation into how the IRS enforces the 501(c)(4) law, leading to an incomplete account of the full operations of her unit.

    Since March of last year, the Subcommittee has been examining whether the IRS adequately and appropriately enforces tax code provisions and implementing regulations regarding the extent to which tax-exempt 501(c)(4) groups may engage in political campaign activity. The Subcommittee asked the IRS why it was not enforcing the 501(c)(4) statute which states that social welfare organizations should be used “exclusively for the promotion of social welfare” and instead enforcing the more lenient IRS regulation which states that a social welfare organization may be used “primarily” for social welfare. It also asked the IRS about how they reviewed applications filed by certain Democratic and Republican leaning 501(c)(4)s. Our investigation has included a year’s worth of correspondence between the Subcommittee and the IRS, as well as document productions and repeated consultations with IRS staff.

    On April 30, 2013, Ms. Lerner and seven IRS colleagues spent six-hours being interviewed, on a bipartisan basis, by Subcommittee staff. That interview covered, among other topics, how the IRS determines which groups to review, what actions are taken in connection with the IRS reviews, and how the laws and regulations are used to examine those groups. Ms. Lerner failed to disclose the internal controversy over the search terms used by the Cincinnati office to identify 501(c)(4) groups for further review, the actions taken by that office in reviewing the identified groups, the investigation and imminent findings by the Treasury Department Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA); and TIGTA’s conclusion that the IRS had used inappropriate criteria to target Tea Party and other conservative groups. Ms. Lerner also failed to disclose that she was fully aware of these issues as early as June 2011, and, according to TIGTA, had been personally involved in reviewing questionable actions taken by the Cincinnati office.

    Given the serious failure by Ms. Lerner to disclose to this Subcommittee key information on topics that the Subcommittee was investigating, we have lost confidence in her ability to fulfill her duties as Director of Exempt Organizations at the IRS. Ms. Lerner’s continued tenure in the office she holds, where she is responsible for overseeing 1.6 million tax-exempt organizations, would erode public trust and confidence in the IRS and its professional integrity. We believe that the immediate removal of Ms. Lerner from office would be a vital step in helping to restore public trust in the agency.

    Sincerely,


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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    We are writing to urge you to suspend immediately Lois Lerner from her office as Director of the Office of Exempt Organizations at the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). We believe that Ms. Lerner failed to disclose crucial information concerning the IRS’s inappropriate targeting of some conservative 501(c)(4) organizations during the course of a Subcommittee investigation into how the IRS enforces the 501(c)(4) law, leading to an incomplete account of the full operations of her unit.
    That seems to support what I said earlier. They are not asking that she be suspended for the manner in which the 501(c)(4) statute was being enforced. They asked that she be suspended because Lerner failed to disclose that the IRS was inappropriately targeting conservative groups when it came up in the course of asking about the processing of 501(c)(4) applications.

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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    That seems to support what I said earlier. They are not asking that she be suspended for the manner in which the 501(c)(4) statute was being enforced. They asked that she be suspended because Lerner failed to disclose that the IRS was inappropriately targeting conservative groups when it came up in the course of asking about the processing of 501(c)(4) applications.
    Then we were talking past each other. I thought you were saying that she was suspended because she was involved in "targeting" tea party groups. Instead she was suspended for failing to disclose this mess during a Senate investigation about why the IRS failed to properly enforce 501c4 status.

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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Then we were talking past each other. I thought you were saying that she was suspended because she was involved in "targeting" tea party groups. Instead she was suspended for failing to disclose this mess during a Senate investigation about why the IRS failed to properly enforce 501c4 status.
    Yes, we know that she's known about for some time, but don't as of yet know the extent of her role.

    (But based on her refusal to testify, perhaps we can assume that she believes she can be charged with criminal wrongdoing).

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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    You mean this?

    To be operated exclusively to promote social welfare, an organization must operate primarily to further the common good and general welfare of the people of the community (such as by bringing about civic betterment and social improvements)….
    It's a pretty sad state of things if you think that furthering the common good and general welfare of the community is an inherently liberal endeavour.
    No, this:
    Seeking legislation germane to the organization's programs is a permissible means of attaining social welfare purposes. Thus, a section 501(c)(4) social welfare organization may further its exempt purposes through lobbying as its primary activity without jeopardizing its exempt status.
    It’s funny you failed to post the two next sentences. If one stipulates the ‘TEA’ stands for taxed enough already then wouldn’t their objective be ‘Seeking legislation germane to the organization's programs’ when it comes to tax policy? Further the sunset of the ‘Bush tax cuts’ was eminent in 2009-10 wouldn’t it stand to reason there would be a surge in organizations who planned tax lobbying? Given this wouldn’t they be legitimate 501(c)(4)’s based on the passage above?
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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Lois Lerner is in hot water because the IRS inappropriately targeted conservative groups, not because she allowed conservative groups to operate despite clear evidence of abuse.
    I doubt she is in any hot water whatsoever. She is a loyal soldier and, like Susan Rice, will retain power in some capacity with the higher circles of the Democratic Party.

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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Dems and Libs would never leak private information obtained via government for political purposes....except when they do.


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    The Environmental Protection Agency acknowledged Tuesday that it released personal information on potentially thousands of farmers and ranchers to environmental groups, following concerns from congressional Republicans and agriculture groups that the release could endanger their safety.

    According to a document obtained by FoxNews.com, the EPA said “some of the personal information that could have been protected … was released." Though the EPA has already sent out the documents, the agency now says it has since redacted sensitive details and asked the environmental groups to “return the information.”

    But Sen. John Thune, who originally complained about the release, slammed the EPA for trying to retroactively recover the sensitive data.

    "It is inexcusable for the EPA to release the personal information of American families and then call for it back, knowing full well that the erroneously released information will never be fully returned," he said in a statement to FoxNews.com. "While EPA acknowledging that it erred is a first step, more must be done to protect the personal information of our farmers and ranchers now and in the future. I will continue to demand answers from the EPA on how this information was collected and why it is still being distributed to extreme environmental groups to the detriment of our farm and ranch families."

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