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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    But what did the IRS do?
    You sincerely don't know?

    That's hard to believe.

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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    No joke. What did the IRS do to target conservative donors? How did they ruin peoples lives?

    We know that the IRS used "conservative" buzzwords to help identify groups potentially engaging in impermissible political activity. Did they do anything else?
    I have outlined at least one group in this thread complete with the article outlining what went on. You need to go back and read, then come on back.
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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You sincerely don't know?

    That's hard to believe.
    Consider it a given that the IRS used "conservative" keywords to help identify groups which potentially engaged in impermissible levels of politics.

    Did the IRS do anything other than this? How did they ruin peoples lives?

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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    How far did the IRS go?
    We shall see, but right now Republican Congressmen and Democrat Senators in the Senate are asking for peoples individual accounts of harassment.

    Not too mention the people that have already made their struggle with the IRS public which started right afyer they sent ONE ceck in to support Romney.

    The IRS released list of donors to Democrat activist groups and Democrats in an effort to intimidate any one who didn't support Obama.

    This level of corruption is unprecedented and your'e defending it with your continued mitigations.

    Eventually its going to come down to a choice for people like you.

    Your'e either going to accept it and be sincerely apologetic or your'e going to accept it and say it was justified and more needs to be done.

    The choice of " it never happened" just isn't there anymore.

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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    We shall see, but right now Republican Congressmen and Democrat Senators in the Senate are asking for peoples individual accounts of harassment.

    Not too mention the people that have already made their struggle with the IRS public which started right afyer they sent ONE ceck in to support Romney.

    The IRS released list of donors to Democrat activist groups and Democrats in an effort to intimidate any one who didn't support Obama.

    This level of corruption is unprecedented and your'e defending it with your continued mitigations.

    Eventually its going to come down to a choice for people like you.

    Your'e either going to accept it and be sincerely apologetic or your'e going to accept it and say it was justified and more needs to be done.

    The choice of " it never happened" just isn't there anymore.
    If you don't actually know what they did, you can't really say that the level of corruption is unprecedented.

    Also, while certain conservative groups have claimed that the IRS leaked their information, there's not yet any evidence that it's the case.

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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Consider it a given that the IRS used "conservative" keywords to help identify groups which potentially engaged in impermissible levels of politics.

    Did the IRS do anything other than this? How did they ruin peoples lives?
    Yes, so far they have mislead the american people, congress, they have ideologically targeted harassed, conspired with other agencies to join in the harassment, delayed approval of doing business, and while doing this sailed through demo organizations that were applying with the same flags.

    Now, if you think this is acceptable use of the IRS only because you like what they did, then we have nothing to discuss, but the information on this scandal is readily available all over the net, rather than play dumb, I suggest you educate yourself....Oh, and BTW, demo's in congress are just as mad as repubs over this, it is only the political hacks that seem to be enjoying and supporting what the IRS did here.
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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yes, so far they have mislead the american people, congress, they have ideologically targeted harassed, conspired with other agencies to join in the harassment, delayed approval of doing business, and while doing this sailed through demo organizations that were applying with the same flags.

    Now, if you think this is acceptable use of the IRS only because you like what they did, then we have nothing to discuss, but the information on this scandal is readily available all over the net, rather than play dumb, I suggest you educate yourself....Oh, and BTW, demo's in congress are just as mad as repubs over this, it is only the political hacks that seem to be enjoying and supporting what the IRS did here.
    The Democrats are acting like Democrats and taking the politically safe position. They're the invertebrate party.

    There are lots of allegations available all over the net, but the facts are contained in a relatively few documents. What evidence do you have that the IRS conspired with other agencies? Considering that the groups in question didn't actually need to wait for approval, how did the IRS delay anyone's ability to conduct business? Crossroads GPS was never approved, and they managed to funnel more than 70 million dollars into the 2012 election.

    And what about ideologically harassed? Is there any evidence at all that conservatives faced more scrutiny than groups of other ideological leanings? Conservatives spent 85% of the money on political adds, accounted for 80% of the groups applying, yet only accounted for 66% of the groups investigated. That doesn't look like the kind of data fingerprint that a systematic bias would leave.

    I'm not claiming that the IRS did nothing wrong. And I'm certainly not claiming that there's no incompetence in the IRS. But where's the scandal? These groups deserved to be investigated. In fact, the Senate had been holding bipartisan hearings for the past year as to why political groups were allowed to operate under the guise of 501c4 organizations. That's the scandal.

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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    We shall see, but right now Republican Congressmen and Democrat Senators in the Senate are asking for peoples individual accounts of harassment.

    Not too mention the people that have already made their struggle with the IRS public which started right afyer they sent ONE ceck in to support Romney.

    The IRS released list of donors to Democrat activist groups and Democrats in an effort to intimidate any one who didn't support Obama.

    This level of corruption is unprecedented and your'e defending it with your continued mitigations.

    Eventually its going to come down to a choice for people like you.

    Your'e either going to accept it and be sincerely apologetic or your'e going to accept it and say it was justified and more needs to be done.

    The choice of " it never happened" just isn't there anymore.
    What evidence is there that supports this crap?

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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Would you describe these groups as primarily political in nature?


    Of course they were.

    Were you describe the efforts of the government to conspire against them eliminate their free speech, confound the opposition to the campaigning president and harass private citizens on behalf of the committee to re-elect the president as Primarily political in nature?
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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    It's possible we now know why she took the 5th.


    If the problem was a couple rogue agents in Cincy, her response would have been that she understood the problems and was addressing it.

    Her response was that if she revealed what she knew, it would incriminate her. As the department head, an employee who got a big bonus for doing her job well, she knew what was happening and obviously her boss did as well.

    Why is nobody saying "I am outraged by this and I'll get to the bottom of it" and then firing those who are about to get prosecuted?

    If you don't know why, you are a Democrat.
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