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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    yes, it said that, but we have no knowledge of what was used as the criteria to make such a call
    we have no idea that was a legitimate determination
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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what makes you conclude that there were no groups/organizations/applicants, other than conservative ones, set aside for further scrutiny?
    i would want to see that information
    how were they singeled out? Did they use a liberal buzz word like "Progresive" as a flag to do so. Did they use any liberal words to do so?

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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    …a tea party application probably comes from an organization which has some degree of political activity. so would an application from 'patriots for progress'. notice how that evokes an indication of political involvement, yet it is politically androgynous in that one cannot tell whether it is left or right leaning - but that would not matter to the irs staff because they were only looking for tell tale signs of political involvement. which is why their actions were not driven by partisan politics
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    There is some logic in your response but parts are still specious. Is it your assertion that the IRS when selecting the ‘targeting’ words were not aware the ‘left or right leanings’ of the ‘tea party’? Your ‘patriots for progress’ is a fair assessment but how many of such organizations were scrutinized? And what of the 9/12 ‘target’? And frankly the underlying issue is the IRS’ interpretation of ‘social welfare’ as applied to the various ‘right or left leaning’ organizations during this scrutiny. One merely reflects on disparity of the application durations between right/left leaning organizations to see something is afoul…and considering this what other explanation is there than partisan politics?...blind luck? If the latter why then did the IRS apologize (as asked previously (sic))?

    from reading the IG report there were indications that applicants were indicating they were not involved in political activities when an irs employee search of the organization's web site proved otherwise
    I don’t remember reading such. Perhaps you could provide the page number…?
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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    …in short, we just do not know that conservatives were unfairly treated or that their applications were set aside in an inordinate manner
    Sure we do:
    Lois Lerner - "That was wrong. That was absolutely incorrect, it was insensitive, and it was inappropriate. That's not how we go about selecting cases for further review," Lerner said at a Washington conference sponsored by the American Bar Association.
    IRS Apologizes For Targeting Conservative Groups In 2012 Election

    WHAT TIGTA FOUND
    The IRS used inappropriate criteria that identified for review Tea Party and other organizations applying for tax-exempt status based upon their names or policy positions instead of indications of potential campaign intervention. Ineffective management: 1) allowed inappropriate criteria to be developed and stay in place for more than 18 months, 2) resulted in substantial delays in processing certain applications, and 3) allowed unnecessary information requests to be issued.
    IG report, Highlights, pg b (?)
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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The post from which I quoted to begin this discussion said that one third of the targeted groups were not conservative. Ergo, two thirds were.
    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    yes, it said that, but we have no knowledge of what was used as the criteria to make such a call
    we have no idea that was a legitimate determination
    Conservatives made up 80% of groups with political leanings.

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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    “My father,” Elliott Roosevelt observed of his famous parent (FDR), “may have been the originator of the concept of employing the IRS as a weapon of political retribution.”
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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    One aspect that will have to be investigated as well, is that it went far beyond just simple IRS malfeasance....Groups, as well as individuals report that other agencies were also simultaneously harassing these people. Take for example 'true the vote'....

    Catherine Engelbrecht of True The Vote joined Governor Mike Huckabee to discuss the harassment and abuse she received from the Obama IRS since she applied for tax exempt status. Her group does not advocate for particular parties or candidates but just for fair elections at all levels. The group obviously is a huge threat to Barack Obama and Democrats. Engelbrecht reminded Governor Huckabee that in the last 18 months voter fraud cases have been prosecuted in 36 states.

    Engelbrecht and her organization were harassed by the Obama IRS for months. The Obama IRS wanted to know Facebook posts, tweets and where Catherine intended to speak. That was just one round. Engelbrecht said she was also harassed by the FBI, OSHA and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) who checked her gun safe.

    UNREAL!… IRS Shake Down of ‘True the Vote’ Involved Visits From FBI, OSHA and ATF – Who Checked Gun Safe (Video) | The Gateway Pundit
    I think what is going to be coming out here is that the Obama, progressive, thugocracy is using the entirety of the US government to target political opponents, just like any other run of the mill banana republic dictator.
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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Conservatives made up 80% of groups with political leanings.
    A percentage claim provided by the same people who inappropriately targeted conservatives.
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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    A percentage claim provided by the same people who inappropriately targeted conservatives.
    True. I suppose you could just count them if you don't believe the IRS.
    http://www.irs.gov/PUP/newsroom/Appr...209%202013.pdf

    I came up with 70 conservative groups approved compared to 18 Liberal groups. That's 80% conservative.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...post1061839433

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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Now they're reporting that Stephanie Cutter was in the IRS meetings too ?

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