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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    then if you want to prove your theory correct why wasn't their any liberal groups singled out using the same method? wouldn't you think groups with Progressive or Progression in their name would indicate a possible political activity? in the time frame their was only 3 Tea party groups who received their staus when 65 groups with Progress in their name got thiers.
    what makes you conclude that there were no groups/organizations/applicants, other than conservative ones, set aside for further scrutiny?
    i would want to see that information
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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what makes you conclude that there were no groups/organizations/applicants, other than conservative ones, set aside for further scrutiny?
    i would want to see that information
    Two thirds of thos set aside for further scrutiny were conservative. That makes the case.QED

    Report: One-Third of Tax-Exempt Groups Scrutinized by IRS Were Not Conservative - Washington Whispers (usnews.com)

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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Two thirds of thos set aside for further scrutiny were conservative. That makes the case.QED

    Report: One-Third of Tax-Exempt Groups Scrutinized by IRS Were Not Conservative - Washington Whispers (usnews.com)

    so then there were entities perceived to be other than conservative, set aside for further investigation into the degree of their political involvment

    now, does anyone know what criteria were used to distinguish conservative organizations from liberal ones?

    does anyone know the percentage of conservative applicants compared to liberal ones?
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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    so then there were entities perceived to be other than conservative, set aside for further investigation into the degree of their political involvment

    now, does anyone know what criteria were used to distinguish conservative organizations from liberal ones?

    does anyone know the percentage of conservative applicants compared to liberal ones?
    Conservatives made up two thirds of the targeted groups. Liberals were no more than (almost certainly less than) one third. The rest of your post will be answered in due course by the investigation into this matter.
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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Imagine if this had happened during Bush, Deuce's head would have exploded.
    Better yet, since they so openly embrace this action and behavior, imagine the possibilities next time there is an elected GOP administration. And the beauty of it is, they wont be able to say a single thing when suddenly all of the dem PACs are targeted, delayed, etc.

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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Conservatives made up two thirds of the targeted groups. Liberals were no more than (almost certainly less than) one third. The rest of your post will be answered in due course by the investigation into this matter.
    i believe your 2/3 conclusion may be premature speculation

    if you cannot identify how conservative applicants were distinguished from liberal ones, then how do we know 2/3 was a legitimate allocation

    if we do not know what number of applications were tendered by conservative versus liberal organizations, then how do we know that liberal organizations were not unfairly set aside, such that one in ten of the applicants were from liberal entities yet liberal applicants were set aside for deeper scrutiny at the rate of one in three
    in short, we just do not know that conservatives were unfairly treated or that their applications were set aside in an inordinate manner
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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i believe your 2/3 conclusion may be premature speculation

    if you cannot identify how conservative applicants were distinguished from liberal ones, then how do we know 2/3 was a legitimate allocation

    if we do not know what number of applications were tendered by conservative versus liberal organizations, then how do we know that liberal organizations were not unfairly set aside, such that one in ten of the applicants were from liberal entities yet liberal applicants were set aside for deeper scrutiny at the rate of one in three
    in short, we just do not know that conservatives were unfairly treated or that their applications were set aside in an inordinate manner
    Two thirds of the targeted groups were conservative. That's ideological bias on its face. Beyond that, I await the results of ongoing multiple investigations.
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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Two thirds of the targeted groups were conservative. That's ideological bias on its face. Beyond that, I await the results of ongoing multiple investigations.
    you say that but there is nothing which proves that 2/3 of those applicants were actually conservative leaning

    there is nothing to show us that conservative applications were not received at a rate greater than 2/3, thereby causing those set aside to under-represent the conservative submissions
    again, your premature speculation is evident
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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you say that but there is nothing which proves that 2/3 of those applicants were actually conservative leaning

    there is nothing to show us that conservative applications were not received at a rate greater than 2/3, thereby causing those set aside to under-represent the conservative submissions
    again, your premature speculation is evident
    The post from which I quoted to begin this discussion said that one third of the targeted groups were not conservative. Ergo, two thirds were.
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    Re: IRS higher-ups requested info on conservative groups, letters show

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The post from which I quoted to begin this discussion said that one third of the targeted groups were not conservative. Ergo, two thirds were.
    yes, it said that, but we have no knowledge of what was used as the criteria to make such a call
    we have no idea that was a legitimate determination
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