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    Re: Exclusive: John McCain Slips Across Border Into Syria, Meets With Rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    What difference does it make whether anyone talks to either of them? They'll do what they want to do no matter what

    Plus, I support Assad 100% in his fight w/the Islamofascist rebels (which apparently includes independent Sunni extremist factions--what the West calls "al Qaeda").

    And fortunately, Obama isn't stupid enough to arm the anti-Assad terrorists.
    It is unlikely Al Qaida would control a new government.

    Do you think the Assad regime has been better for the Syrian people than Islamists would be?
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    Re: Exclusive: John McCain Slips Across Border Into Syria, Meets With Rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Do you think the Assad regime has been better for the Syrian people than Islamists would be?
    I don't care who the Syrians put in charge, as long as they can vote him out and not get bombed by their own military. Until the new government begins slaughtering civilians by the 10k, there's only success in the future.

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    Re: Exclusive: John McCain Slips Across Border Into Syria, Meets With Rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Plus, I support Assad 100% in his fight w/the Islamofascist rebels (which apparently includes independent Sunni extremist factions--what the West calls "al Qaeda").
    Let me guess, you have a problem with drones and Gitmo but have no problem with the government killing (targeting) ~60k (of their own) civilians. How does that work? Do you believe that 60k people were terrorists operating against the Assad dictatorship.
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    Re: Exclusive: John McCain Slips Across Border Into Syria, Meets With Rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    What difference does it make whether anyone talks to either of them? They'll do what they want to do no matter what

    Plus, I support Assad 100% in his fight w/the Islamofascist rebels (which apparently includes independent Sunni extremist factions--what the West calls "al Qaeda").

    And fortunately, Obama isn't stupid enough to arm the anti-Assad terrorists.

    Not merely nonsense, but ignorant nonsense.
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    Re: Exclusive: John McCain Slips Across Border Into Syria, Meets With Rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    It is unlikely Al Qaida would control a new government.

    Do you think the Assad regime has been better for the Syrian people than Islamists would be?
    Either we support al Qaeda connected rebels, or the Hezbollah-connected Assad regime.

    Yeah, we couldn't possibly lose....


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    Re: Exclusive: John McCain Slips Across Border Into Syria, Meets With Rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    By stating that i want peace in the region through diplomacy makes me a hypocrite..... Oh yea i forgot you think anyone but Assad is amazing
    "peace through diplomacy" is a fancy way to say, "appeasement". We tried peace through diplomacy before and 400,000 dead Americans was what we got for our troubles.

    Peace through diplomacy is nothing more than a quick fix. Histoy has proven that.
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    Re: Exclusive: John McCain Slips Across Border Into Syria, Meets With Rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Either we support al Qaeda connected rebels, or the Hezbollah-connected Assad regime.

    Yeah, we couldn't possibly lose....
    I would like to see us stay out of it, but if we do get involved, I say we kill bo sides.
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    Re: Exclusive: John McCain Slips Across Border Into Syria, Meets With Rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Whose the lesser of two evils in the situation? Both sides suck.
    I say the moderate rebels, but it doesn't matter because it's not that simple. "Assad wins" and "Rebels win" are not the only outcomes. There are other outcomes at stake that are far worse. The longer the fighting is allowed to drag on, the more it will threaten to destabilize neighboring countries. Hezbollah is now officially involved in the war and Lebanese Sunnis have already retaliated by firing rockets on their headquarters in Lebanon, while in the mean time Lebanon is currently government-less since the Prime Minister resigned in March (over matters related to the Syrian conflict). Jordan's population is now 10% Syrian refugees. That number is projected to be 40% by this time next year, which would almost certainly plunge Jordan in chaos. Sectarian violence is already flaring back up across Iraq with suicide bombs killing scores of civilians.

    Potentially, neither side wins and Syria could split into two nations along sectarian lines, which would likely push Lebanon and Iraq into sectarian civil wars of their own. The war could languish on indefinitely with no defacto government able to solidfy control slowly transforming Syria into a failed state a la Somalia where Al Qaeda-ism, violence, and extreme poverty reign.

    The very real threat of these kind of outcomes if the situation is left to fester on its own are the reason the international community needs to get involved.

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    Re: Exclusive: John McCain Slips Across Border Into Syria, Meets With Rebels

    Yes I'm sure about that. The commander of the FSA has explicitly declared that they do not coordinate with one another and that Al Nusra is not under his command. Your first article is almost a year old - a lot of important things have happened since then including Al Nusra's shift toward extremism and pledge to Al Qaeda. They're both fighting to overthrow Assad, occasionally their strategic goals overlap. So? They are not the same group and you cannot claim that FSA is an extremist Islamist group just because Al Nusra is.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    They have however fought side by side, and many FSA leaders claim they are "the special forces of the revolution"
    THE leader of the FSA says otherwise. The don't fight side by side anymore - that is, since Al Nusra has moved towards extremism and Al Qaeda.
    MIDEAST - Free Syrian Army nixes connection with al-Nusra Front

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I never claimed they were "one and the same"
    Good. Then perhaps you'll stop implying that helping the FSA is the same thing as helping Al-Nusra. That's a false dichotomy. If the event we give weapons to the FSA, Salam Idris has vowed to see to it they are not given to Al-Nusra or other extremist elements.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    But hell looks like the FSA might be having a defection problem with more people goin go the Al-Nursa front
    Report: Entire Free Syrian Army Units Defecting To Al Nusra Front Because Of Its “Islamic Doctrine” And Advanced Weapons… | Weasel Zippers
    All the more reason to give greater support to the more moderate elements of the Opposition. Part of the reason extremist groups are gaining ground is because they're having success because they're being funded by foreign entities like Qatar. If the West were to put their weight behind the more secular groups, they would lose that advantage. Right now, your preferred policy of "do nothing" is resulting in a growing influence and power of the extremist groups like Al Nusra while undermining the power of the moderate groups. If you don't want Al Nusra and other groups like it to continue gaining power than why do you suggest continuing the policies that are already resulting in this effect? If you don't like how things are going in Syria, why do you advocate more of the same?

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    Re: Exclusive: John McCain Slips Across Border Into Syria, Meets With Rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Helping the rebels doesn't necessarily mean we want them to win. Harassing al-Assad for a few more months/years than they might have been able to would be to our advantage, no? al-Assad continues to be worn down...Islamist money and personnel stay in the Middle East...what's not to like?
    Did you think.....giving those that stand against the US and the West. Battle Experience and the ability to react in response to our technology.....was a good thing? You didn't think it was actually keeping the money in just the ME now, did ya? What about those MB peeps that run keep running around Country to country talking their smack like they always do?

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