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    Re: Exclusive: John McCain Slips Across Border Into Syria, Meets With Rebels

    Seems like a similar plan to the one we engaged in regarding Libya. That has worked out SO well.

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    Re: Exclusive: John McCain Slips Across Border Into Syria, Meets With Rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    What on Earth convinces you that the rebels would hold free elections? You seem pretty certain about the outcome, so I am just curious what gave you that confidence.
    Because a transition government, guided by the UN, has succeeded in bringing rudimental democracy to a number of previous dictatorships in recent years. The reasons for this are many:

    1. The UN has cash to offer.
    2. The UN has development projects to offer.
    3. The UN has foreign aid to offer.
    4. The UN will provide a venue for the new government to interact with other countries.
    5. The UN has cash to offer (yeah, this is worth listing twice).

    For these reasons, the transitional government will be inclined to go with UN recommendations as opposed to those without nearly the resources that the UN has. Finally, the leader of the transitional government, a US educated gentleman, has assured the UN that a democratic process is the goal of the rebel coalition.

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    Re: Exclusive: John McCain Slips Across Border Into Syria, Meets With Rebels

    The essence of the problem is the lingering presence of bone-headed pols (along with their childish brainwashed followers) in the US with their stupid, archaic ideas about the nature of the world, i. e. the notion that the institutions/govts the US gummint claims are bad are just the "bad guys" of the world while the people/institutions that oppose them are the "good guys."

    It hasn't occurred to these baby-minded idiots (i. e. mccain) that in nearly every case, what the mainstream media (with its penchant for reducing the world to Dr. Seuss-like analogies) dubs an "oppressive regime" is merely faced with the difficult situation of being forced to take extreme measures to keep its country together, because the alternative is chaos, given the motivations and hostility of the independent factions within the country.

    That is the current situation faced by Assad in Syria, with various rebel groups vying for control, setting the state for a never-ending Civil War, and it's eerily similar to the situation that existed in 19th century America during the Civil War. Just as Lincoln had to wage war against the US's own people to keep the nation afloat, so does Assad have to do the same.

    And the argument that preserving liberties trumps the need for security is only applicable in cases where the long-term consequences of maintaining that security far exceed the benefits of preserving freedoms. That's the situation faced by people in the US today, with the gummint constantly seeking new ways to trounce of individual rights in the name of "security." In this case, the security justification is merely a ruse and the actual motives behind them are nefarious.

    That is not the case with Syria's regime. If Assad doesn't beat down the forces that are threatening to destabilize his regime, then factions w/ideas more repressive will likely seize power, resulting in even fewer freedoms. It needn't be said that women in Syria--despite how bad their current predicament is--would hae even fewer rights if, say, a Sunni rebel faction were to seize power in Syria.

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    Re: Exclusive: John McCain Slips Across Border Into Syria, Meets With Rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Because a transition government, guided by the UN, has succeeded in bringing rudimental democracy to a number of previous dictatorships in recent years. The reasons for this are many:

    1. The UN has cash to offer.
    2. The UN has development projects to offer.
    3. The UN has foreign aid to offer.
    4. The UN will provide a venue for the new government to interact with other countries.
    5. The UN has cash to offer (yeah, this is worth listing twice).

    For these reasons, the transitional government will be inclined to go with UN recommendations as opposed to those without nearly the resources that the UN has. Finally, the leader of the transitional government, a US educated gentleman, has assured the UN that a democratic process is the goal of the rebel coalition.
    The UN is worthless because it has no teeth.

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    Re: Exclusive: John McCain Slips Across Border Into Syria, Meets With Rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    The UN is worthless because it has no teeth.
    While this is true in regard to states in violation of treaties and UNSCRs (such as the Iranian regime and before that Saddam), its work in development is another matter. The UN has a very strong influence over countries tied to development and aid packages. For example: the UN was able to prevent Kenya from withdrawing from Rome because of the aforementioned carrots.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 05-28-13 at 12:51 PM.

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    Re: Exclusive: John McCain Slips Across Border Into Syria, Meets With Rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I've never understood why politicians seem to want to engage these fanatical groups. They really never seem to accomplish much with these little meetings. I remember Obama talking about engaging Ahmadinejad. That worked out well too.
    And that is Obama's fault? It takes 2 to tango.

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    Re: Exclusive: John McCain Slips Across Border Into Syria, Meets With Rebels

    McCain's the odd man out. I doubt what he does matters to anyone really.

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    Re: Exclusive: John McCain Slips Across Border Into Syria, Meets With Rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I would like to see us stay out of it, but if we do get involved, I say we kill bo sides.
    Just let them kill each other. Maybe we can help pick up the pieces if it helps Israel's security and Turkey's as well.


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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Exclusive: John McCain Slips Across Border Into Syria, Meets With Rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Just let them kill each other. Maybe we can help pick up the pieces if it helps Israel's security and Turkey's as well.
    I'm fine with that, too. My comment was in referrence to us becoming involved.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Exclusive: John McCain Slips Across Border Into Syria, Meets With Rebels

    I don't have objections to Senator McCain's going to Syria. Having open lines of communication and engaging in fact-finding can be beneficial.

    Having said that, Senator McCain should not be entering into commitments and there's no evidence that he did.

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