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    Re: Exclusive: John McCain Slips Across Border Into Syria, Meets With Rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    Yes I'm sure about that. The commander of the FSA has explicitly declared that they do not coordinate with one another and that Al Nusra is not under his command. Your first article is almost a year old - a lot of important things have happened since then including Al Nusra's shift toward extremism and pledge to Al Qaeda. They're both fighting to overthrow Assad, occasionally their strategic goals overlap. So? They are not the same group and you cannot claim that FSA is an extremist Islamist group just because Al Nusra is.



    THE leader of the FSA says otherwise. The don't fight side by side anymore - that is, since Al Nusra has moved towards extremism and Al Qaeda.
    MIDEAST - Free Syrian Army nixes connection with al-Nusra Front



    Good. Then perhaps you'll stop implying that helping the FSA is the same thing as helping Al-Nusra. That's a false dichotomy. If the event we give weapons to the FSA, Salam Idris has vowed to see to it they are not given to Al-Nusra or other extremist elements.




    All the more reason to give greater support to the more moderate elements of the Opposition. Part of the reason extremist groups are gaining ground is because they're having success because they're being funded by foreign entities like Qatar. If the West were to put their weight behind the more secular groups, they would lose that advantage. Right now, your preferred policy of "do nothing" is resulting in a growing influence and power of the extremist groups like Al Nusra while undermining the power of the moderate groups. If you don't want Al Nusra and other groups like it to continue gaining power than why do you suggest continuing the policies that are already resulting in this effect? If you don't like how things are going in Syria, why do you advocate more of the same?

    Now what was that about these rebels? What is the reason we should continue to listen to the Syrian Rebels who have been busted out lying and deceiving those in the West. You didn't think that Idris actually has any control over Al Nusra now.....did you? You do understand that when Al Nusra tells Idris to Jump. The Putz will do so as high he can.....and without any hesitation whatsoever.

    Did you think the Syrian rebels were any better themselves?

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    Re: Exclusive: John McCain Slips Across Border Into Syria, Meets With Rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    It is unlikely Al Qaida would control a new government.

    Do you think the Assad regime has been better for the Syrian people than Islamists would be?
    Did you consider the MB? You are aware that they are involved into this mix.....Correct?

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    Re: Exclusive: John McCain Slips Across Border Into Syria, Meets With Rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    My honest thoughts are these. The destruction of the Asad regime would be a strategic defeat for Iran and Hezbollah, and therefore hugely in our interest. The optimum moment for safe, effective support to forces we favor passed long ago. Nonetheless, there may still be an opportunity to do something worthwhile.

    John McCain is a grown man, a US Senator, a war veteran and a former POW. He has the right to go and see for himself.
    Heya Jack .....So I guess the Final End Game would be to help the Hapless Sunni Muslims commit Genocide upon the Shia and Zaydi Muslims. Allow them to continue on to subjugate them and give them Rule over all of them or any that can survive their total desolation.

    Hand over another Country that Sunni cannot take over by their own selves? All the while as they persecute others of different religions. Subjugate their own women and that New World Order format of Same Sex relationships. While at the same time always stabbing us in the back and using us to do the Work they Can't handle.

    Then Hand over Iran and any other Shia ran Countries to the Sunni.....as once again. They will not be able to take care of anything on their own without the help of anyone else with their Ancient Dispute over who Should be the one to have Power and rule over all Muslims.

    Do you think the Sunni will stop stabbing us in the back once they get all their Power?

    Yeah McCain has the Right to go and see for himself. He also has the Right to have a foot put up his azz. I will volunteer.

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    Re: Exclusive: John McCain Slips Across Border Into Syria, Meets With Rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    The Free Syrian Army does not associate with Al-Nusra. Al-Nusra does not operate under the FSA command structure and they've actually engaged in skirmishes with each other over disputed territory.

    Though, to the poorly informed such as yourself, they may appear to be one and the same.
    I think you are Mistaken on that.....greatly so.....evidenced.

    Syrian rebels defy US and pledge allegiance to jihadi group.....



    Rebel groups across Syria are defying the United States by pledging their allegiance to a group that Washington will designate today a terrorist organization for its alleged links to al-Qaeda.

    A total of 29 opposition groups, including fighting "brigades" and civilian committees, have signed a petition calling for mass demonstrations in support of Jabhat al-Nusra, an Islamist group which the White House believes is an offshoot of al-Qaeda in Iraq.

    The petition is promoting the slogan "No to American intervention, for we are all Jabhat al-Nusra" and urges supporters to "raise the Jabhat al-Nusra flag" as a "thank you".

    "These are the men for the people of Syria, these are the heroes who belong to us in religion, in blood and in revolution," read a statement widely circulated on Syrian opposition Facebook pages.

    Although Jabhat al-Nusra remains separate from the Free Syrian Army, many FSA leaders now recognize its strength and order their forces to cooperate with it.....snip~

    Syrian rebels defy US and pledge allegiance to jihadi group - Telegraph

    Did you say something about the FSA not operating under Al Nusra?

    Btw.....how did the Syrian Rebels get ManPads out of Libya? Considering the Saud and the Qataris don't have them to give away for sale?

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    Re: Exclusive: John McCain Slips Across Border Into Syria, Meets With Rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Whose the lesser of two evils in the situation? Both sides suck.
    On this I agree with you TDS.....we should stay out of it. Yep and both sides sucks. Moreover I have asked before. What do the Rebels do if Assad lasts until the Election in 2014 and then steps down like he told the Russians? What then?

    What will the Opposition have to say then when all along they have refused to have any talks with Assad or his people. Other than to say. Assad must go. So now if Assad lasts the year and has the Election and steps down.

    Wont that make the Sunni Muslins and their Oppositions. Look like blathering fools? While all along highlighting all their atrocities. Now who can accept any of them in Power when they have lied, deceived the west. Use Children to stage attacks....Commit genocide upon Christians, and will use whatever underhanded dirty tactic they can to get back Assad. Including the use of chemical weapons should they get their hands on any.

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    Re: Exclusive: John McCain Slips Across Border Into Syria, Meets With Rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Despite mccain's total lack of noodle, he does have some character (a trait virtually non-existent in Washington), given the way he conducted himself in the 2008 campaign.

    If the story line of the Game Change movie is true, then he really did put principles above politics, and there's something to be said for that.
    Ummm, principles in politics??

    Regardless. he doesn't need to be meddling behind closed doors. Where the Hell is that other idiot, Kerry?

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    Re: Exclusive: John McCain Slips Across Border Into Syria, Meets With Rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    he doesn't need anyone's OK...why would he? and whose permission would be needed?

    additionally, we shouldn't get involved in their civil war.
    Funny how the extreme Jihad elements in these 'civil wars' always end up in control.

    I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction. BHO

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    Re: Exclusive: John McCain Slips Across Border Into Syria, Meets With Rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Did you consider the MB? You are aware that they are involved into this mix.....Correct?
    I am aware, and I am also aware that they are not Al Qaida. Perhaps you were referring to my question, instead? They would have to be pretty bad to as bad or worse than Assad. Do you think they would be, and if so why?

    People may start to wonder why I keep turning the questions back on the people advocating one side or another in this conflict. The reason is that I have never heard anyone say anything that was substantively backed up that would cause me to want either side to win. So far, I am entirely unconvinced of any good outcome in Syria.
    You can never be safe from a government that can keep you completely safe from each other and the world. You must choose.

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    Re: Exclusive: John McCain Slips Across Border Into Syria, Meets With Rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I don't care who the Syrians put in charge, as long as they can vote him out and not get bombed by their own military. Until the new government begins slaughtering civilians by the 10k, there's only success in the future.
    What on Earth convinces you that the rebels would hold free elections? You seem pretty certain about the outcome, so I am just curious what gave you that confidence.
    You can never be safe from a government that can keep you completely safe from each other and the world. You must choose.

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    Re: Exclusive: John McCain Slips Across Border Into Syria, Meets With Rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I wish we could just ignore the whole lot of them.
    The Iranians are good people in general.

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