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Menendez: We don’t have 60 votes for immigration reform bill

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One of the chief authors of the Senate’s Gang of Eight immigration bill is still hunting around for 60 votes in his chamber.
Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) said in an interview set to be aired Sunday that the Gang of Eight does not have the votes necessary to break a potential filibuster on the Senate floor — at least right now.


“We don’t currently have 60 votes identified in the Senate,” Menendez said on “Al Punto” with Jorge Ramos, according to an English-translated transcript provided by Univision. “We need to add more votes on the floor.”


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Damnit! Ill definatley be contacting my senator for this bill. We need immigration reform, and its long overdue.
 
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Damnit! Ill definatley be contacting my senator for this bill. We need immigration reform, and its long overdue. [/FONT][/COLOR]

I hope they don't get the 60 votes. No immigration reform should have amnesty, pathway to citizenship for illegals,dream act or some other term for amnesty. I already contacted my elected officials telling them to not vote for the so called immigration reform bill.
 
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Damnit! Ill definatley be contacting my senator for this bill. We need immigration reform, and its long overdue. [/FONT][/COLOR]

I think it'll eventually end up with enough votes to clear the Senate. So far I think they're working the amendment process right way to build as much bipartisan support as possible. If it does pass and get to the House though, I don't think it could pass.
 
I hope they don't get the 60 votes. No immigration reform should have amnesty, pathway to citizenship for illegals,dream act or some other term for amnesty. I already contacted my elected officials telling them to not vote for the so called immigration reform bill.

What exactly would your ideal immigration reform entail?
 
We don't need immigration reform, we need to be enforcing the immigration laws that are already are on the books.
Statements like this make absolutely no sense. The entire point of the reform is that the current laws on the books are flawed. We know they are flawed because they are not working. We need to reform the laws to something which is more likely to work.

I know your statement is popular rhetoric, but it really doesn't make any sense.
 
What exactly would your ideal immigration reform entail?

1.Our current policy should be is to encourage illegals to go back to their countries.We can do that by making it nearly impossible for them to live in our country,punishments for those who come here illegally and punishments for scum who hire illegals so they can't get jobs.These few things should suffice-

a.Require that in order to get any ID or driver's license you present a birth certificate, green card, or certificate of naturalization and social security card.After that require a state issued ID or driver's license in order to the following-

-enroll yourself into school
-enroll your kids into school
-apply for welfare,food stamps,section 8 housing and any other tax payer assistance for yourself and or your children
-get a business license,fishing/hunting permit,building permit, license to practice law, food handlers permit, gun license(in states that require a permit to buy a gun),concealed carry permit(in states that require a license to conceal carry) or any other tax payer funded service
-open a bank account, cash a check, use a credit/debit/pre-paid card, apply for a loan,or wire money.
-rent,borrow,lease or buy property
-rent,borrow,lease or buy a motor vehicle.
-get utilities

b.Crack down on the scum who hire illegals.Treat them no different than we do drug dealers, mobsters and other criminals who profit from illegal activities.We do that by severely fining them, sending them to prison and make them subject asset seizure and forfeiture laws to take any property or money they acquired as a result of hiring illegals(after a criminal has proven them guilty).

2.Mandate E-verify for every employer.

3.Hire enough border guards to secure the border.If we can give away billions to other countries then we can most certainly hire enough border guards to secure our border.
 
Statements like this make absolutely no sense. The entire point of the reform is that the current laws on the books are flawed. We know they are flawed because they are not working. We need to reform the laws to something which is more likely to work.

I know your statement is popular rhetoric, but it really doesn't make any sense.

Kind of hard for something to work when the government only does token enforcement.
 
Damnit! Ill definatley be contacting my senator for this bill. We need immigration reform, and its long overdue. [/FONT][/COLOR]

No.

What's long overdue is filibuster reform.
 
How much of your tax dollars are you willing to give up for strict enforcement?

The only "enforcement" necessary is to enforce laws already on the books against employers who hire illegals. If that spigot dried up, these people would go home. The "reform" we need is to ease up immigration requirements for our southern neighbors.

I'm opposed to any immigration reform that doesn't include stricter enforcement on employers. Without that, the influx of illegals will never stop.
 
You mentioned this in another thread, Maggie, and I agree with you: We need to take another look at "anchor babies" too.
 
The only "enforcement" necessary is to enforce laws already on the books against employers who hire illegals. If that spigot dried up, these people would go home. The "reform" we need is to ease up immigration requirements for our southern neighbors.

I'm opposed to any immigration reform that doesn't include stricter enforcement on employers. Without that, the influx of illegals will never stop.

I agree completely with that, however the Congress critters and Senate snakes would not allow raids on the big Agra Farms, Tyson Foods and other large corps that hire these illegals.
 
Gee... not enough votes for the Amnesty Bill. I can't hold back the tears... :2bigcry:
 
How much of your tax dollars are you willing to give up for strict enforcement?

Heya CB. :2wave: 2 Cents from every tax paying citizen. The Border would be covered and there would be money left over for support services and a Better E-verify system.

Course JR has brought up already about Enforcing existing laws.
 
You mentioned this in another thread, Maggie, and I agree with you: We need to take another look at "anchor babies" too.

Heya NB. :2wave: I think so too. Also I don't think we need to bring in low skilled laborers. So I think Work Visas and Student Visas should be reworked. Again.....I can't go for the excuse that we don't have Americans with Enough Skills or Degrees for Jobs with PH-D's and Engineering.

Moreover countries that have given us the run around and screwed us over. Less Visas should be accepted from those Countries.
 
The only "enforcement" necessary is to enforce laws already on the books against employers who hire illegals. If that spigot dried up, these people would go home. The "reform" we need is to ease up immigration requirements for our southern neighbors.

I'm opposed to any immigration reform that doesn't include stricter enforcement on employers. Without that, the influx of illegals will never stop.

the influx will not stop even if enforcement intensifies... it will stop when the country they come from is just as prosperous as the US.

until the US and Mexico decide to become partners in earnest ..... we'll keep receiving their poor, their hungry,... their huddled masses.
our cultures are not altogether dissimilar... but their government is atrocious and corrupt..the country is poorly run and prosperity doesn't reach far beyond the halls of power.

one of the big problem I have with the immigration problem is remittance payments( sending money back home to feed their remaining family)... a virtual ****-ton of money is removed from our economy and added to latin americas local economies... to the tune of 30 billion a year. ( which is far more than direct foreign private investment and government aid combined)
in return..we get drugs, crime, and additional taxpayer costs to combat immigration.

i'm pretty supportive of immigration... i'm supportive of amnesty...i'm very welcoming of the huddled masses... I think it can be beneficial to all involved parties, but we can't form a system where it's very costly to one party and beneficial to another..discord is sown in such ways.
 
the influx will not stop even if enforcement intensifies... it will stop when the country they come from is just as prosperous as the US.

until the US and Mexico decide to become partners in earnest ..... we'll keep receiving their poor, their hungry,... their huddled masses.
our cultures are not altogether dissimilar... but their government is atrocious and corrupt..the country is poorly run and prosperity doesn't reach far beyond the halls of power.

one of the big problem I have with the immigration problem is remittance payments( sending money back home to feed their remaining family)... a virtual ****-ton of money is removed from our economy and added to latin americas local economies... to the tune of 30 billion a year. ( which is far more than direct foreign private investment and government aid combined)
in return..we get drugs, crime, and additional taxpayer costs to combat immigration.

i'm pretty supportive of immigration... i'm supportive of amnesty...i'm very welcoming of the huddled masses... I think it can be beneficial to all involved parties, but we can't form a system where it's very costly to one party and beneficial to another..discord is sown in such ways.

I don't disagree. Good post.
 
No bill should pass without a better understanding of content, without a rock solid plan to ensure border security, and without some sort of a plan on how to pay for the expanded social spending that will come with embracing 20 million illegal immigrants and thier families.

(Id settle for a nice NFL style trade program...We will keep 20 million illegal immigrants that come here willing to bust their ass for any means of employment they can find if in return they accept 20 million of our crippled dependent lazy ****s that wont work and they have to go live in the socialist Utopia that is mejico)
 
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Damnit! Ill definatley be contacting my senator for this bill. We need immigration reform, and its long overdue. [/FONT][/COLOR]

Has anyone said they would filibuster if not why is this meaningful. The bill already has 4 Republicans, do we know if the supposed 41 are all R or do some dems object?
 
You mentioned this in another thread, Maggie, and I agree with you: We need to take another look at "anchor babies" too.

I agree! And we should make it retroactive. If you are a descendant of a non-citizen, your citizenship is revoked. Any number of generations.

Where did your ancestors come from, again?
 
No bill should pass without a better understanding of content, without a rock solid plan to ensure border security, and without some sort of a plan on how to pay for the expanded social spending that will come with embracing 20 million illegal immigrants and thier families.

(Id settle for a nice NFL style trade program...We will keep 20 million illegal immigrants that come here willing to bust their ass for any means of employment they can find if in return they accept 20 million of our crippled dependent lazy ****s that wont work and they have to go live in the socialist Utopia that is mejico)

Might as well as Just take over Mexico.....create another 50 states and intro them to our Style and Forms of Corruption. Get them all into some more free stuff and dependent on the government and we are good to go. Course our way or the Highway.

But you are Right VM I think they need way more time to work this thru. They can't half ass it and look to throw a bunch of pork in there either.
 
Might as well as Just take over Mexico.....create another 50 states and intro them to our Style and Forms of Corruption. Get them all into some more free stuff and dependent on the government and we are good to go. Course our way or the Highway.

But you are Right VM I think they need way more time to work this thru. They can't half ass it and look to throw a bunch of pork in there either.
It would actually make a lot of sense. We would certainly reduce the size of the border to control.

Ive long believed the answer to illegal immigration is not to have an amnesty program or to step up INS actions, or target illegals for mass deportation (lets be honest...the US is at least AS responsible for the illegal immigration problem as anyone else. We want it, exploit it, and always have). It would be insanity to institute a police where you turn 20 million illegal immigrants into potential terrorists. The country doesnt need the internal strife and its simply not humane. What we SHOULD do and should have been doing is work with the mejican government and their industry to create a viable education system and jobs market there. It would take a substanital private investment with an expectation of limited if any return on the dollar for about 10 years, but after that time, we would have a viable trading partner on at least equal footing and their would be far less a need for illegal immigration in the first place. Throw in a few other relatively minor fixes (such as decriminalizing marijuana) and things would improve in pretty rapid fashion.
 
It would actually make a lot of sense. We would certainly reduce the size of the border to control.

Ive long believed the answer to illegal immigration is not to have an amnesty program or to step up INS actions, or target illegals for mass deportation (lets be honest...the US is at least AS responsible for the illegal immigration problem as anyone else. We want it, exploit it, and always have). It would be insanity to institute a police where you turn 20 million illegal immigrants into potential terrorists. The country doesnt need the internal strife and its simply not humane. What we SHOULD do and should have been doing is work with the mejican government and their industry to create a viable education system and jobs market there. It would take a substanital private investment with an expectation of limited if any return on the dollar for about 10 years, but after that time, we would have a viable trading partner on at least equal footing and their would be far less a need for illegal immigration in the first place. Throw in a few other relatively minor fixes (such as decriminalizing marijuana) and things would improve in pretty rapid fashion.


I would agree with a lot of what you said there. Course we know it wont happen anytime soon at least. Still Obama and the Demos want to add gay unions to the Bill. What I don't understand is that anytime before.....the Demos never stated anything about such a condition with Immigration. But now they want it included. Course I am not sure how that plays out with Latino People. Many are quite religious.

Still this is the Democrats throwing crap up into the Mix. Which I think they should be set out for. As to creating more of a problem with the issue rather than looking to solve the issue first.
 
I would agree with a lot of what you said there. Course we know it wont happen anytime soon at least. Still Obama and the Demos want to add gay unions to the Bill. What I don't understand is that anytime before.....the Demos never stated anything about such a condition with Immigration. But now they want it included. Course I am not sure how that plays out with Latino People. Many are quite religious.

Still this is the Democrats throwing crap up into the Mix. Which I think they should be set out for. As to creating more of a problem with the issue rather than looking to solve the issue first.
And people wonder why nothing ever gets done. Frankly, I believe the reason dems (and the GOP) add riders to legislation is because they KNOW it will make it impossible for legislation to pass. then they run to the media and point fingers and shriek at 'the other guys'.
 
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