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    Re: Menendez: We donít have 60 votes for immigration reform bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    the influx will not stop even if enforcement intensifies... it will stop when the country they come from is just as prosperous as the US.

    until the US and Mexico decide to become partners in earnest ..... we'll keep receiving their poor, their hungry,... their huddled masses.
    our cultures are not altogether dissimilar... but their government is atrocious and corrupt..the country is poorly run and prosperity doesn't reach far beyond the halls of power.

    one of the big problem I have with the immigration problem is remittance payments( sending money back home to feed their remaining family)... a virtual ****-ton of money is removed from our economy and added to latin americas local economies... to the tune of 30 billion a year. ( which is far more than direct foreign private investment and government aid combined)
    in return..we get drugs, crime, and additional taxpayer costs to combat immigration.


    i'm pretty supportive of immigration... i'm supportive of amnesty...i'm very welcoming of the huddled masses... I think it can be beneficial to all involved parties, but we can't form a system where it's very costly to one party and beneficial to another..discord is sown in such ways.

    If we have strict state ID/Driver's license requirements and require that a state issued ID or driver's license be presented in order to use a bank, or wire money,get a credit card/debit card then it would cut down on the money being sent to other countries.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Menendez: We donít have 60 votes for immigration reform bill

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Points for glibness, but they have to be subtracted when you've just made clear your lack of understanding about the "anchor babies" problem.
    I understand that you think the 14th amendment to the United States constitution is a bad thing.
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    Re: Menendez: We donít have 60 votes for immigration reform bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If we have strict state ID/Driver's license requirements and require that a state issued ID or driver's license be presented in order to use a bank, or wire money,get a credit card/debit card then it would cut down on the money being sent to other countries.
    Well isn't that nice and Big Government of you!
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    Re: Menendez: We donít have 60 votes for immigration reform bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If we have strict state ID/Driver's license requirements and require that a state issued ID or driver's license be presented in order to use a bank, or wire money,get a credit card/debit card then it would cut down on the money being sent to other countries.
    You can get a drivers license as an immigrant. A lot of people here legally send money back home as well.

    Plus we're getting into "your papers please" territory. I don't want to live somewhere where I need ID everywhere I go.


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    Re: Menendez: We donít have 60 votes for immigration reform bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Statements like this make absolutely no sense. The entire point of the reform is that the current laws on the books are flawed. We know they are flawed because they are not working. We need to reform the laws to something which is more likely to work.

    I know your statement is popular rhetoric, but it really doesn't make any sense.
    Except they are not. They would work just fine IF they were enforced. The feds have no problem allowing local law enforcement to enforce federal drug law, in fact they encourage it. Why not immigration law?

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    Re: Menendez: We donít have 60 votes for immigration reform bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    How much of your tax dollars are you willing to give up for strict enforcement?
    An amount at least equal to the aid we provide illegals and their families.

    But hey, want to do it very inexpensively? Institute my idea of asset seizure. Get caught here illegally and all you base belong to us. We'll use the proceeds to fund deportation and enforcement. I'd be a major disincentivefor them to come, and stay, in the first place.
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    Re: Menendez: We donít have 60 votes for immigration reform bill

    We need immigration reform, but excusing people for breaking the law should not be part of that. We need to pass reform that enhances law enforcement against businesses that hire illegals and that actively deports illegals and makes them pay fines/back taxes for the services they received while illegally in America before they can even think about applying for legal citizenship (and even then they should be at the back of the line).

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    Re: Menendez: We donít have 60 votes for immigration reform bill

    It is immigration reform. There will always be some group people are pissed about coming in. There will always be some hard working group that so called "real" americans crap on because of their selfishness. Seriously, it has happened with the Irish, Italians, jews, germans, Asians, and now the hispanics are the big bad guy. Everyone always wants reform to save the day from the less desirable.

    I do have to enjoy republicans chasing their own tail on this one as they realize the party of old white guys needs some color, and they also realize they are also the party that is prejudiced to be only for white guys and their base will never stand for it. It is like Mitt romney coming down very clearly on both sides of an opposing issue and apologizing to everyone who sees him as full of crap. republican reps want to win another presidency and need hispanic voters to do so, yet the tea party will rip them to shred if they openly vote for anything that is seen to make things easier on immigrants.

    The only thing i hope is that when the reps tear their party apart that some other party comes along to keep the dems from a huge majority because I like my fattening foods and so called bad habits.

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    Re: Menendez: We donít have 60 votes for immigration reform bill

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    You can get a drivers license as an immigrant. A lot of people here legally send money back home as well.

    Plus we're getting into "your papers please" territory. I don't want to live somewhere where I need ID everywhere I go.

    Certain things should require an state issued ID.Requiring an ID for those things is not going to make us like Nazi Germany.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Menendez: We donít have 60 votes for immigration reform bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Well isn't that nice and Big Government of you!

    How is requiring someone to show ID for financial transactions make the government bigger?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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