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    Re: Report: Nearly a quarter of all Americans struggle to afford food

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Well that depends on your definition of "don't own much at all in terms of wealth". I earn an average salary, and even I have wealth. I personally know people who earn less than I do, more than I do, and the same as I do who have more wealth and less wealth than I do.

    But you said that the top 10% own ALL of the wealth. That i s a completely inaccurate and/or ignorant statement.
    this graph supports the presentation that the wealth in the USA is concentrated in the upper 10%:
    graph wealth distribution usa.png
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    Re: Report: Nearly a quarter of all Americans struggle to afford food

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    this graph supports the presentation that the wealth in the USA is concentrated in the upper 10%:
    graph wealth distribution usa.png
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    Which proves what exactly?

    Subsidies, soil banking, dept of ag buy ups of surplus goods and stupid crap like gasahol, all have more to do with food prices and inability to buy food than that stupid chart.

    You cant cry about income inequality at the same time as taxes and government are used to keep food prices high.

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    Report: Nearly a quarter of all Americans struggle to afford food

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    this graph supports the presentation that the wealth in the USA is concentrated in the upper 10%:
    graph wealth distribution usa.png
    It's the Inequality, Stupid | Mother Jones
    "Concentrated" in the upper 10%" and "all of the wealth is owned by the top 10%", which is what kenc claimed, are two entirely different things.

    My advice: If you're envious, become one of the top 10%. A lot of the people who bitch about/are envious of the top 10% could easily become one of them if they applied themselves and worked hard for it. But the problem is, a lot of people think that any old job, from Wal Mart greeter to fastening bolts onto doohickeys at the lawn mower manufacturing plant should provide them wealth that allows them to live like the elite. The world just doesn't work like that.
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    Re: Report: Nearly a quarter of all Americans struggle to afford food

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    Which proves what exactly?

    Subsidies, soil banking, dept of ag buy ups of surplus goods and stupid crap like gasahol, all have more to do with food prices and inability to buy food than that stupid chart.

    You cant cry about income inequality at the same time as taxes and government are used to keep food prices high.
    it confirms what was presented
    the top 1 out of 100 citizens owns more than the combined wealth of the 90 out of 100 citizens
    that is an extraordinary disparity
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Report: Nearly a quarter of all Americans struggle to afford food

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    "Concentrated" in the upper 10%" and "all of the wealth is owned by the top 10%", which is what kenc claimed, are two entirely different things.

    My advice: If you're envious, become one of the top 10%. A lot of the people who bitch about/are envious of the top 10% could easily become one of them if they applied themselves and worked hard for it. But the problem is, a lot of people think that any old job, from Wal Mart greeter to fastening bolts onto doohickeys at the lawn mower manufacturing plant should provide them wealth that allows them to live like the elite. The world just doesn't work like that.
    your post assumes that i am not in the top 10%, an assumption you cannot make
    you also assume this has anything to do with envy

    it has everything to do with equity
    it proves what was stated, compared to the top 1 out of 100, the collective 90 out of 100 owns less wealth
    there are always going to be winners and losers, but let's keep the playing field level
    and economically, it is not. we have the best government money can buy
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Report: Nearly a quarter of all Americans struggle to afford food

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    your post assumes that i am not in the top 10%, an assumption you cannot make
    you also assume this has anything to do with envy

    it has everything to do with equity
    it proves what was stated, compared to the top 1 out of 100, the collective 90 out of 100 owns less wealth
    there are always going to be winners and losers, but let's keep the playing field level
    and economically, it is not. we have the best government money can buy
    So the average professional athlete owns a lot more wealth than I do, so what? That is the equivalent of what CEOs and executives are to corporations. They are the extremely talented, not just anyone can do what they do, and that's why they are paid as much as they are. Are they way overpaid? In my opinion yes they are, but it's not my decision on what to pay them.

    When I said "you" in my previous post, it was in general, not you specifically. Sorry for the confusion.

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    Re: Report: Nearly a quarter of all Americans struggle to afford food

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    it confirms what was presented
    the top 1 out of 100 citizens owns more than the combined wealth of the 90 out of 100 citizens
    that is an extraordinary disparity
    Riiiight, so to have a point you would need to prove how that differs from any other point in history and how it impacts starvation stemming from poverty.

    My contention is our ag system is inefficient because it has a government subsidy net larger than that for those in poverty. I bet I can make my point a lot easier than you can yours.

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    Re: Report: Nearly a quarter of all Americans struggle to afford food

    How much of this percentage is self-imposed hardship resulting from poor financial planning/management? Thats what I would like to know.

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    Re: Report: Nearly a quarter of all Americans struggle to afford food

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Well that depends on your definition of "don't own much at all in terms of wealth". I earn an average salary, and even I have wealth. I personally know people who earn less than I do, more than I do, and the same as I do who have more wealth and less wealth than I do.

    But you said that the top 10% own ALL of the wealth. That is a completely inaccurate and/or ignorant statement.
    Yes, you are right. I was basing that off of a plutocratic report which stated that very soon the top 10% will own all the wealth and the bottom 90% will be at their mercy. I guess I have to wait a little more.

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    Re: Report: Nearly a quarter of all Americans struggle to afford food

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    Report: Nearly a quarter of all Americans struggle to afford food - Salon.com

    Looks like many of our citizens are struggling to get one of the basic needs in this world; food. One of the richest countries in the world, no wait THE richest country in the world, and nearly 25% of our citizens are struggling to get food. [/INDENT]
    Nothing in the article explicitly mentions the citizenship of respondents.

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