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    Disgraced IRS Chiefs: IRS Needs More Money

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    So, the IRS heads explanation of IRS abuses is that if they had more money that this would not have happened (as if doing witch hunts using many man hours and resources are a cost cutting procedure). This sound very familiar, Oh I know!



    Now the question I have is this just a weak excuse they are putting out or an outrageous request for more funding? Neither option puts them in good lights in my opinion.
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    Re: Disgraced IRS Chiefs: IRS Needs More Money

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    So, the IRS heads explanation of IRS abuses is that if they had more money that this would not have happened (as if doing witch hunts using many man hours and resources are a cost cutting procedure). This sound very familiar, Oh I know!



    Now the question I have is this just a weak excuse they are putting out or an outrageous request for more funding? Neither option puts them in good lights in my opinion.
    An 8% increase, big increases coming from Obamacare, and these bureaucrats want to spin off blame for their actions on lack of funding?

    What a staggering revelation.

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    Re: Disgraced IRS Chiefs: IRS Needs More Money

    Typical Obama talking points, "We need higher taxes and more government employees". That should fix it.
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    Re: Disgraced IRS Chiefs: IRS Needs More Money

    What I find most disturbing about this whole thing is the lack of accountability by ANYBODY! It's not the Commissioners fault, it's not the department head's fault, it's damned sure not Obama's fault.....but that's all we get. I mean, if it was just a problem at the IRS then maybe I could understand but apparently it's the same issue at the DoJ and the State Department too. It's like nobody really has any responsibility for anything and the whole system is functioning on the "hot potato" principle of not getting stuck with any problem. That's not even management much less leadership!

    Furthermore, since this seems to be a government wide issue I can't help but think that the problem is institutional in nature...not just something that popped up with Obama. If ever there was evidence of a serious need for government reform then this is it. These useless mopes need to get put to the curb and new management needs to be put in place but most importantly the citizenry needs to get their collective **** together and start DEMANDING accountability and results.

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    Re: Disgraced IRS Chiefs: IRS Needs More Money

    You see the black hole in the center of the picture? That is our governmental body. The IRS is the gravitational force.

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    Re: Disgraced IRS Chiefs: IRS Needs More Money

    The correct amount of funds for any governmental agency, according to the people who run said agency, is more.
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    Re: Disgraced IRS Chiefs: IRS Needs More Money

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    What I find most disturbing about this whole thing is the lack of accountability by ANYBODY! It's not the Commissioners fault, it's not the department head's fault, it's damned sure not Obama's fault.....but that's all we get. I mean, if it was just a problem at the IRS then maybe I could understand but apparently it's the same issue at the DoJ and the State Department too. It's like nobody really has any responsibility for anything and the whole system is functioning on the "hot potato" principle of not getting stuck with any problem. That's not even management much less leadership!

    Furthermore, since this seems to be a government wide issue I can't help but think that the problem is institutional in nature...not just something that popped up with Obama. If ever there was evidence of a serious need for government reform then this is it. These useless mopes need to get put to the curb and new management needs to be put in place but most importantly the citizenry needs to get their collective **** together and start DEMANDING accountability and results.
    Responsibility and accountability starts at the top. Sure most administrations have a scandal pop up, but this Obama administration is out of control. The tone of this administration being passed down is "get my adversaries" with a wink and a nod and and if caught Obama will do a two step and all will be pushed under the rug. And keep me protected from looking bad and I will look the other way and brush off an criticism you may receive. Like give them a promotion, instead of firing them, but how can you fire someone for saving your ass, even if it is lying to the public and changing documents that are shown to the people.

    Now take an administration that passes down of "zero tolerance" policy and if caught you will immediately be dealt with and a special prosecutor will be assigned to make accountable anyone involved. Taking that position will greatly halt what we see in the Obama administration, take Lois Lerner she is put on paid vacation. Holder has screwed up and lied to congress so many times and Obama keeps saying "I love this man". Rather than a president taking a position "you screw up your gone" I have a country to run and I don't have time to babysit incompetence, nor will I accept it. But this shows Obama is incompetent and has a Chicago mentality and incompetents breads incompetence. The only way for this to change is to have an administration that has a zero tolerance policy for incompetence, mistrust and misdeeds.
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    Re: Disgraced IRS Chiefs: IRS Needs More Money

    I have a friend who works for the IRS, and he tells me that the budget issue is a real problem. They're furloughing employees this summer. It's not vacation time; they're not getting paid.

    When agencies have to resort to these kind of measures, there are problems. Regardless of what you think of them, they do bring in revenue to fund the most basic functions of the U.S government, even if a good portion of it goes to pork barrel spending, a bloated military, and foreign aid to countries that hate us.

    The Treasury Inspector General's office, which is independent from the IRS, determined that there was no partisanship in the Exempt Organization processing of Tea Party non-profit applications: http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditr...01310053fr.pdf

    The knee jerk negativity about the IRS makes no sense, but exists simply because Americans have an aversion to paying taxes that most people in other Western nations don't.
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    Re: Disgraced IRS Chiefs: IRS Needs More Money

    The IRS is one of very few USG agencies that turn a profit. It has always seemed to be underfunded and their staff seems underpaid. I've been audited 3 times (covering 4 years) and the agents seemed to be poorly paid and not so great at their job (thankfully for me). They audit only a fragment of returns and they "made a profit" on my first audit but never got a dime on the other 2 despite investing weeks spying on me and my retail location (I think it is called a "lifestyle audit". So, it's pretty easy to trick them and out of that 99% they don't audit - to totally BS them.

    I'm not sure that this "scandal" has much to do with this but I feel this agency should have better management and pay the price to hire qualified forensic CPAs instead of people whose math skills and detection skills are inferior to my own.

    Personally, I support the careful investigation of 501(c)4 (and 3) applications. Millions of people are scamming the system and I'm paying my taxes so they can also. Why do I have to support (indirectly) Obama or Romney's campaigns?

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    Re: Disgraced IRS Chiefs: IRS Needs More Money

    The law says we owe a certain amount of taxes. Some people break the law and pay less, whether intentionally or not. The IRS' job is to collect taxes and enforce tax law... so shouldn't they hold this opinion? Some folks out there aren't paying what they owe. (and yes, it is owed)

    You wouldn't fault the police for serving a warrant for arrest on an assault charge would you? They would say "more people should be in jail... in particular, Punchy McJerkface over there on Maple St." The police need a certain amount of resources to be able to do their job correctly. If you only hire one police officer for all of New York City, lots of police duties will go unfulfilled due to lack of resources. Punchy McJerkface never gets arrested because there's nobody to go get him and drag him down town.

    Well, the IRS is the same. Without enough agents, they are unable to pursue a lot of tax evasion and fraud.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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