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Disgraced IRS Chiefs: IRS Needs More Money

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The link: Disgraced IRS Chiefs: IRS Needs More Money


So, the IRS heads explanation of IRS abuses is that if they had more money that this would not have happened (as if doing witch hunts using many man hours and resources are a cost cutting procedure). This sound very familiar, Oh I know!



Now the question I have is this just a weak excuse they are putting out or an outrageous request for more funding? Neither option puts them in good lights in my opinion.
 
The link: Disgraced IRS Chiefs: IRS Needs More Money


So, the IRS heads explanation of IRS abuses is that if they had more money that this would not have happened (as if doing witch hunts using many man hours and resources are a cost cutting procedure). This sound very familiar, Oh I know!



Now the question I have is this just a weak excuse they are putting out or an outrageous request for more funding? Neither option puts them in good lights in my opinion.


An 8% increase, big increases coming from Obamacare, and these bureaucrats want to spin off blame for their actions on lack of funding?

What a staggering revelation.
 
Typical Obama talking points, "We need higher taxes and more government employees". That should fix it.
 
What I find most disturbing about this whole thing is the lack of accountability by ANYBODY! It's not the Commissioners fault, it's not the department head's fault, it's damned sure not Obama's fault.....but that's all we get. I mean, if it was just a problem at the IRS then maybe I could understand but apparently it's the same issue at the DoJ and the State Department too. It's like nobody really has any responsibility for anything and the whole system is functioning on the "hot potato" principle of not getting stuck with any problem. That's not even management much less leadership!

Furthermore, since this seems to be a government wide issue I can't help but think that the problem is institutional in nature...not just something that popped up with Obama. If ever there was evidence of a serious need for government reform then this is it. These useless mopes need to get put to the curb and new management needs to be put in place but most importantly the citizenry needs to get their collective **** together and start DEMANDING accountability and results.
 
You see the black hole in the center of the picture? That is our governmental body. The IRS is the gravitational force. ;)

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The correct amount of funds for any governmental agency, according to the people who run said agency, is more.
 
What I find most disturbing about this whole thing is the lack of accountability by ANYBODY! It's not the Commissioners fault, it's not the department head's fault, it's damned sure not Obama's fault.....but that's all we get. I mean, if it was just a problem at the IRS then maybe I could understand but apparently it's the same issue at the DoJ and the State Department too. It's like nobody really has any responsibility for anything and the whole system is functioning on the "hot potato" principle of not getting stuck with any problem. That's not even management much less leadership!

Furthermore, since this seems to be a government wide issue I can't help but think that the problem is institutional in nature...not just something that popped up with Obama. If ever there was evidence of a serious need for government reform then this is it. These useless mopes need to get put to the curb and new management needs to be put in place but most importantly the citizenry needs to get their collective **** together and start DEMANDING accountability and results.

Responsibility and accountability starts at the top. Sure most administrations have a scandal pop up, but this Obama administration is out of control. The tone of this administration being passed down is "get my adversaries" with a wink and a nod and and if caught Obama will do a two step and all will be pushed under the rug. And keep me protected from looking bad and I will look the other way and brush off an criticism you may receive. Like give them a promotion, instead of firing them, but how can you fire someone for saving your ass, even if it is lying to the public and changing documents that are shown to the people.

Now take an administration that passes down of "zero tolerance" policy and if caught you will immediately be dealt with and a special prosecutor will be assigned to make accountable anyone involved. Taking that position will greatly halt what we see in the Obama administration, take Lois Lerner she is put on paid vacation. Holder has screwed up and lied to congress so many times and Obama keeps saying "I love this man". Rather than a president taking a position "you screw up your gone" I have a country to run and I don't have time to babysit incompetence, nor will I accept it. But this shows Obama is incompetent and has a Chicago mentality and incompetents breads incompetence. The only way for this to change is to have an administration that has a zero tolerance policy for incompetence, mistrust and misdeeds.
 
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I have a friend who works for the IRS, and he tells me that the budget issue is a real problem. They're furloughing employees this summer. It's not vacation time; they're not getting paid.

When agencies have to resort to these kind of measures, there are problems. Regardless of what you think of them, they do bring in revenue to fund the most basic functions of the U.S government, even if a good portion of it goes to pork barrel spending, a bloated military, and foreign aid to countries that hate us.

The Treasury Inspector General's office, which is independent from the IRS, determined that there was no partisanship in the Exempt Organization processing of Tea Party non-profit applications: http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditreports/2013reports/201310053fr.pdf

The knee jerk negativity about the IRS makes no sense, but exists simply because Americans have an aversion to paying taxes that most people in other Western nations don't.
 
The IRS is one of very few USG agencies that turn a profit. It has always seemed to be underfunded and their staff seems underpaid. I've been audited 3 times (covering 4 years) and the agents seemed to be poorly paid and not so great at their job (thankfully for me). They audit only a fragment of returns and they "made a profit" on my first audit but never got a dime on the other 2 despite investing weeks spying on me and my retail location (I think it is called a "lifestyle audit". So, it's pretty easy to trick them and out of that 99% they don't audit - to totally BS them.

I'm not sure that this "scandal" has much to do with this but I feel this agency should have better management and pay the price to hire qualified forensic CPAs instead of people whose math skills and detection skills are inferior to my own.

Personally, I support the careful investigation of 501(c)4 (and 3) applications. Millions of people are scamming the system and I'm paying my taxes so they can also. Why do I have to support (indirectly) Obama or Romney's campaigns?
 
The law says we owe a certain amount of taxes. Some people break the law and pay less, whether intentionally or not. The IRS' job is to collect taxes and enforce tax law... so shouldn't they hold this opinion? Some folks out there aren't paying what they owe. (and yes, it is owed)

You wouldn't fault the police for serving a warrant for arrest on an assault charge would you? They would say "more people should be in jail... in particular, Punchy McJerkface over there on Maple St." The police need a certain amount of resources to be able to do their job correctly. If you only hire one police officer for all of New York City, lots of police duties will go unfulfilled due to lack of resources. Punchy McJerkface never gets arrested because there's nobody to go get him and drag him down town.

Well, the IRS is the same. Without enough agents, they are unable to pursue a lot of tax evasion and fraud.
 
I have a friend who works for the IRS, and he tells me that the budget issue is a real problem. They're furloughing employees this summer. It's not vacation time; they're not getting paid.

When agencies have to resort to these kind of measures, there are problems. Regardless of what you think of them, they do bring in revenue to fund the most basic functions of the U.S government, even if a good portion of it goes to pork barrel spending, a bloated military, and foreign aid to countries that hate us.

The Treasury Inspector General's office, which is independent from the IRS, determined that there was no partisanship in the Exempt Organization processing of Tea Party non-profit applications: http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditreports/2013reports/201310053fr.pdf

The knee jerk negativity about the IRS makes no sense, but exists simply because Americans have an aversion to paying taxes that most people in other Western nations don't.

It only makes no sense if you are not targeted by the IRS. The rest of us see the IRS using it's power to silence an adversarial group that opposes Obama. Holder is doing Obama's dirty work by going after the press that reports the facts, and leaves the others alone that provide cover for Obama. Obama has a hit list, and of course if your a supporter of Obama as you are, you don't have to worry.
 
The law says we owe a certain amount of taxes. Some people break the law and pay less, whether intentionally or not. The IRS' job is to collect taxes and enforce tax law... so shouldn't they hold this opinion? Some folks out there aren't paying what they owe. (and yes, it is owed)

You wouldn't fault the police for serving a warrant for arrest on an assault charge would you? They would say "more people should be in jail... in particular, Punchy McJerkface over there on Maple St." The police need a certain amount of resources to be able to do their job correctly. If you only hire one police officer for all of New York City, lots of police duties will go unfulfilled due to lack of resources. Punchy McJerkface never gets arrested because there's nobody to go get him and drag him down town.

Well, the IRS is the same. Without enough agents, they are unable to pursue a lot of tax evasion and fraud.

All that you said has absolutely nothing to do with the IRS using it's power to target adversarial groups that are against Obama's policies. That is an evasion of power and fraud against the American people.
 
It only makes no sense if you are not targeted by the IRS. The rest of us see the IRS using it's power to silence an adversarial group that opposes Obama. Holder is doing Obama's dirty work by going after the press that reports the facts, and leaves the others alone that provide cover for Obama. Obama has a hit list, and of course if your a supporter of Obama as you are, you don't have to worry.

AND,
Holder refuses to talk about it, as does half of Obamas cabinet about anything that goes wrong, when something goes right they are all over the credit meter though
Housing market is up, yea Obama... Gas prices are out of control nothing Obama can do about it, stock market up...yea Obama, Gitmo still open nothing he can do about it, executive order only when it suits him
 
The law says we owe a certain amount of taxes. Some people break the law and pay less, whether intentionally or not. The IRS' job is to collect taxes and enforce tax law... so shouldn't they hold this opinion? Some folks out there aren't paying what they owe. (and yes, it is owed)

You wouldn't fault the police for serving a warrant for arrest on an assault charge would you? They would say "more people should be in jail... in particular, Punchy McJerkface over there on Maple St." The police need a certain amount of resources to be able to do their job correctly. If you only hire one police officer for all of New York City, lots of police duties will go unfulfilled due to lack of resources. Punchy McJerkface never gets arrested because there's nobody to go get him and drag him down town.

Well, the IRS is the same. Without enough agents, they are unable to pursue a lot of tax evasion and fraud.
Good points, and common sense. If the IRS, however, would spend more time investigating those known to evade and avoid taxes instead of targeting those some feel might abuse the system, perhaps they wouldn't be so stretched.
 
Good points, and common sense. If the IRS, however, would spend more time investigating those known to evade and avoid taxes instead of targeting those some feel might abuse the system, perhaps they wouldn't be so stretched.

IRS began targeting conservatives before the upsurge in applications, and the Washington Post awarded Ms. Lerner four Pinocchios for claiming otherwise.:mrgreen:
 
All that you said has absolutely nothing to do with the IRS using it's power to target adversarial groups that are against Obama's policies. That is an evasion of power and fraud against the American people.

It does, however, have something to do with the topic of this thread: a particular statement made by the IRS chief.
 
It does, however, have something to do with the topic of this thread: a particular statement made by the IRS chief.

The IRS chiefs are ducking the issue. Targeting the conservatives preceded the upsurge in applications for tax-exempt status. It was a policy decision, not a resource management decision.:roll:
 
The IRS chiefs are ducking the issue. Targeting the conservatives preceded the upsurge in applications for tax-exempt status. It was a policy decision, not a resource management decision.:roll:

The comment was in no way related to tax-exempt status of Tea Party groups. It's the article writer trying to connect the two.
 
I have a friend who works for the IRS, and he tells me that the budget issue is a real problem. They're furloughing employees this summer. It's not vacation time; they're not getting paid.

I'm sorry to hear that about your friend, but that issue is more to do about Congress passing a tax bill and not being able to do to problems with aligning with the Senate. My Opinion is that the Senate should not pass their own tax bill since the power of the purse lies with the House of Representitives alone. The Senate could confirm and pass the Houses bill or reject it and the House the can try again.

When agencies have to resort to these kind of measures, there are problems. Regardless of what you think of them, they do bring in revenue to fund the most basic functions of the U.S government, even if a good portion of it goes to pork barrel spending, a bloated military, and foreign aid to countries that hate us.

The issue is not bringing in revenue, the issue is that the power of the IRS was being abused for political purposes and the issue of this thread is that the Heads of the IRS made a lame excuse about funding. If they are so short on funding then they should not go on political witch hunts that take up so much of their resources.

The Treasury Inspector General's office, which is independent from the IRS, determined that there was no partisanship in the Exempt Organization processing of Tea Party non-profit applications: http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditreports/2013reports/201310053fr.pdf

Wrong. The report stated that political groups were singled out those which had "Tea Party", "9/12", and "Patriots" in the name of the org. Under WHAT TIGTA FOUND was the following.

The IRS used inappropriate criteria that identified for review Tea Party and other In their response to the report, IRS officials organizations applying for tax-exempt status agreed with seven of our nine recommendations based upon their names or policy positions and proposed alternative corrective actions for instead of indications of potential political two of our recommendations. TIGTA does not campaign intervention. Ineffective management: agree that the alternative corrective actions will 1) allowed inappropriate criteria to be developed accomplish the intent of the recommendations and stay in place for more than 18 months, and continues to believe that the IRS should 2) resulted in substantial delays in processing better document the reasons why applications certain applications, and 3) allowed unnecessary potentially involving political campaign information requests to be issued.

This does smack of partisanship and one does not need to parse this to do so.


The knee jerk negativity about the IRS makes no sense, but exists simply because Americans have an aversion to paying taxes that most people in other Western nations don't.

It is not a knee jerk and attitudes of other nations do not have much to do with the situation of the IRS or the thread.
 
It does, however, have something to do with the topic of this thread: a particular statement made by the IRS chief.

The IRS Chief :doh If you believe that scumbag we are in serious trouble, good thing those in Congress think he is a lair, like I do.
 
They had plenty of resources to specifically target conservative groups and delay and exacerbate confirmation processes, all of which required manpower. They had plenty of resources to leak private and personal information to liberal PACS. money didnt seem to be the issue. Corrupt guidance and practices...sure...but money? No...not at all.
 
Typical right wing lies..

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Are you saying the IRS needs more money to stop corruption of people targeting conservative groups. How I see it, the more money the IRS is given it can hire more agents to target conservative groups. This corruption has nothing to do about money, it's an abuse of power by the IRS for political reasons.
 
Are you saying the IRS needs more money to stop corruption of people targeting conservative groups. How I see it, the more money the IRS is given it can hire more agents to target conservative groups. This corruption has nothing to do about money, it's an abuse of power by the IRS for political reasons.

They need more agents to target tax evaders. Do you support tax evasion?
 
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