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    Re: Disgraced IRS Chiefs: IRS Needs More Money

    Quote Originally Posted by Graffias View Post
    I have a friend who works for the IRS, and he tells me that the budget issue is a real problem. They're furloughing employees this summer. It's not vacation time; they're not getting paid.

    When agencies have to resort to these kind of measures, there are problems. Regardless of what you think of them, they do bring in revenue to fund the most basic functions of the U.S government, even if a good portion of it goes to pork barrel spending, a bloated military, and foreign aid to countries that hate us.

    The Treasury Inspector General's office, which is independent from the IRS, determined that there was no partisanship in the Exempt Organization processing of Tea Party non-profit applications: http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditr...01310053fr.pdf

    The knee jerk negativity about the IRS makes no sense, but exists simply because Americans have an aversion to paying taxes that most people in other Western nations don't.
    It only makes no sense if you are not targeted by the IRS. The rest of us see the IRS using it's power to silence an adversarial group that opposes Obama. Holder is doing Obama's dirty work by going after the press that reports the facts, and leaves the others alone that provide cover for Obama. Obama has a hit list, and of course if your a supporter of Obama as you are, you don't have to worry.
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    Re: Disgraced IRS Chiefs: IRS Needs More Money

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The law says we owe a certain amount of taxes. Some people break the law and pay less, whether intentionally or not. The IRS' job is to collect taxes and enforce tax law... so shouldn't they hold this opinion? Some folks out there aren't paying what they owe. (and yes, it is owed)

    You wouldn't fault the police for serving a warrant for arrest on an assault charge would you? They would say "more people should be in jail... in particular, Punchy McJerkface over there on Maple St." The police need a certain amount of resources to be able to do their job correctly. If you only hire one police officer for all of New York City, lots of police duties will go unfulfilled due to lack of resources. Punchy McJerkface never gets arrested because there's nobody to go get him and drag him down town.

    Well, the IRS is the same. Without enough agents, they are unable to pursue a lot of tax evasion and fraud.
    All that you said has absolutely nothing to do with the IRS using it's power to target adversarial groups that are against Obama's policies. That is an evasion of power and fraud against the American people.
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    Re: Disgraced IRS Chiefs: IRS Needs More Money

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    It only makes no sense if you are not targeted by the IRS. The rest of us see the IRS using it's power to silence an adversarial group that opposes Obama. Holder is doing Obama's dirty work by going after the press that reports the facts, and leaves the others alone that provide cover for Obama. Obama has a hit list, and of course if your a supporter of Obama as you are, you don't have to worry.
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    Holder refuses to talk about it, as does half of Obamas cabinet about anything that goes wrong, when something goes right they are all over the credit meter though
    Housing market is up, yea Obama... Gas prices are out of control nothing Obama can do about it, stock market up...yea Obama, Gitmo still open nothing he can do about it, executive order only when it suits him
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    Re: Disgraced IRS Chiefs: IRS Needs More Money

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The law says we owe a certain amount of taxes. Some people break the law and pay less, whether intentionally or not. The IRS' job is to collect taxes and enforce tax law... so shouldn't they hold this opinion? Some folks out there aren't paying what they owe. (and yes, it is owed)

    You wouldn't fault the police for serving a warrant for arrest on an assault charge would you? They would say "more people should be in jail... in particular, Punchy McJerkface over there on Maple St." The police need a certain amount of resources to be able to do their job correctly. If you only hire one police officer for all of New York City, lots of police duties will go unfulfilled due to lack of resources. Punchy McJerkface never gets arrested because there's nobody to go get him and drag him down town.

    Well, the IRS is the same. Without enough agents, they are unable to pursue a lot of tax evasion and fraud.
    Good points, and common sense. If the IRS, however, would spend more time investigating those known to evade and avoid taxes instead of targeting those some feel might abuse the system, perhaps they wouldn't be so stretched.

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    Re: Disgraced IRS Chiefs: IRS Needs More Money

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Good points, and common sense. If the IRS, however, would spend more time investigating those known to evade and avoid taxes instead of targeting those some feel might abuse the system, perhaps they wouldn't be so stretched.
    IRS began targeting conservatives before the upsurge in applications, and the Washington Post awarded Ms. Lerner four Pinocchios for claiming otherwise.
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    Re: Disgraced IRS Chiefs: IRS Needs More Money

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    All that you said has absolutely nothing to do with the IRS using it's power to target adversarial groups that are against Obama's policies. That is an evasion of power and fraud against the American people.
    It does, however, have something to do with the topic of this thread: a particular statement made by the IRS chief.
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    Re: Disgraced IRS Chiefs: IRS Needs More Money

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It does, however, have something to do with the topic of this thread: a particular statement made by the IRS chief.
    The IRS chiefs are ducking the issue. Targeting the conservatives preceded the upsurge in applications for tax-exempt status. It was a policy decision, not a resource management decision.
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    Re: Disgraced IRS Chiefs: IRS Needs More Money

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The IRS chiefs are ducking the issue. Targeting the conservatives preceded the upsurge in applications for tax-exempt status. It was a policy decision, not a resource management decision.
    The comment was in no way related to tax-exempt status of Tea Party groups. It's the article writer trying to connect the two.
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    Re: Disgraced IRS Chiefs: IRS Needs More Money

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The comment was in no way related to tax-exempt status of Tea Party groups. It's the article writer trying to connect the two.
    Fair enough.
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    Re: Disgraced IRS Chiefs: IRS Needs More Money

    Quote Originally Posted by Graffias View Post
    I have a friend who works for the IRS, and he tells me that the budget issue is a real problem. They're furloughing employees this summer. It's not vacation time; they're not getting paid.
    I'm sorry to hear that about your friend, but that issue is more to do about Congress passing a tax bill and not being able to do to problems with aligning with the Senate. My Opinion is that the Senate should not pass their own tax bill since the power of the purse lies with the House of Representitives alone. The Senate could confirm and pass the Houses bill or reject it and the House the can try again.

    When agencies have to resort to these kind of measures, there are problems. Regardless of what you think of them, they do bring in revenue to fund the most basic functions of the U.S government, even if a good portion of it goes to pork barrel spending, a bloated military, and foreign aid to countries that hate us.
    The issue is not bringing in revenue, the issue is that the power of the IRS was being abused for political purposes and the issue of this thread is that the Heads of the IRS made a lame excuse about funding. If they are so short on funding then they should not go on political witch hunts that take up so much of their resources.

    The Treasury Inspector General's office, which is independent from the IRS, determined that there was no partisanship in the Exempt Organization processing of Tea Party non-profit applications: http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditr...01310053fr.pdf
    Wrong. The report stated that political groups were singled out those which had "Tea Party", "9/12", and "Patriots" in the name of the org. Under WHAT TIGTA FOUND was the following.

    The IRS used inappropriate criteria that identified for review Tea Party and other In their response to the report, IRS officials organizations applying for tax-exempt status agreed with seven of our nine recommendations based upon their names or policy positions and proposed alternative corrective actions for instead of indications of potential political two of our recommendations. TIGTA does not campaign intervention. Ineffective management: agree that the alternative corrective actions will 1) allowed inappropriate criteria to be developed accomplish the intent of the recommendations and stay in place for more than 18 months, and continues to believe that the IRS should 2) resulted in substantial delays in processing better document the reasons why applications certain applications, and 3) allowed unnecessary potentially involving political campaign information requests to be issued.
    This does smack of partisanship and one does not need to parse this to do so.


    The knee jerk negativity about the IRS makes no sense, but exists simply because Americans have an aversion to paying taxes that most people in other Western nations don't.
    It is not a knee jerk and attitudes of other nations do not have much to do with the situation of the IRS or the thread.
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