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    Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Session

    Surprising that this happened in Arizona
    Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Session

    An atheist state lawmaker tasked with delivering the opening prayer for this afternoon's session of the House of Representatives asked that people not bow their heads. Democratic Representative Juan Mendez, of Tempe, instead spoke about his "secular humanist tradition" and even quoted author Carl Sagan.

    "Most prayers in this room begin with a request to bow your heads," Mendez said. "I would like to ask that you not bow your heads. I would like to ask that you take a moment to look around the room at all of the men and women here, in this moment, sharing together this extraordinary experience of being alive and of dedicating ourselves to working toward improving the lives of the people in our state."
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Ses

    Bowing your head represents a recognition that there is something greater than yourself, an acknowledgement without which public service is impossible.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Ses

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Bowing your head represents a recognition that there is something greater than yourself, an acknowledgement without which public service is impossible.
    Really? WHAT, do you see as "greater than yourself"? What entity do you bow your head to? Why should anyone who doesn't hold the same beliefs act in the same manner?
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Ses

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Bowing your head represents a recognition that there is something greater than yourself, an acknowledgement without which public service is impossible.
    Im not sure what you intended by that statement, could you explain more?

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    Re: Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Ses

    Maybe you could consider it simply humble recognition of the whole being greater than the sum of its parts.

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    Re: Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Ses

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Really? WHAT, do you see as "greater than yourself"? What entity do you bow your head to? Why should anyone who doesn't hold the same beliefs act in the same manner?
    What do YOU see as greater than yourself?
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Ses

    Yes, suprising that it was in Arizona. Anyway, it's a very good sign.

    The religious right might have to be placed on suicide watch, with things like this happening.

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    Re: Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Ses

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Bowing your head represents a recognition that there is something greater than yourself, an acknowledgement without which public service is impossible.
    It's not actually necessary for anything. It's not even needed for prayer, you can certainly pray without bowing your head.

    So I'm not sure where you're going here.


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    Re: Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Ses

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Yes, suprising that it was in Arizona. Anyway, it's a very good sign.

    The religious right might have to be placed on suicide watch, with things like this happening.
    Hyperbole much?

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    Re: Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Ses

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Bowing your head represents a recognition that there is something greater than yourself, an acknowledgement without which public service is impossible.
    Why do I have to bow my head to recognize that I am not the greatest thing in the universe? Seems obvious.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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