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    Re: Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Ses

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What? I don't know if it's impossible, but I do suppose the People are greater than the State, so the State can bow its "head" to the People.
    You've gotten the closest.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Ses

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    That's kind of the point of a representative government though... no representative is ever going to represent everyone. No representative is ever going to have allegiance to "the people" - just some of the people at any given time.
    They might not represent the interests of all the people, but they do owe allegiance to everyone. Not just the people they share a religion with.
    Liberté. Égalité. Fraternité.

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    Re: Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Ses

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. God has nothing to do with the governments of man.
    Religious tradition is inextricably intertwined with our culture, and the manner in which the people of that culture have chosen to govern themselves.

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    Re: Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Ses

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Religious tradition is inextricably intertwined with our culture, and the manner in which the people of that culture have chosen to govern themselves.
    And we long ago divorced government from religion for the benefit of both.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Ses

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Surprising that this happened in Arizona
    Very ballsy of him in that state.
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    Should I be free to buy anthrax and a rocket launcher?
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    Is there a reason you shouldnt be free to?
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    Obamacare wants to put a chip inside people. There is a video of it on youtube.

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    Re: Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Ses

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    You've gotten the closest.
    Yay, I'm winning!
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Ses

    I'm fine with him doing this, someone who isn't religious can do what they want with the prayer (or lack thereof). Doesn't offend me in the least.

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    Re: Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Ses

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Bowing your head represents a recognition that there is something greater than yourself, an acknowledgement without which public service is impossible.
    That's what YOU believe. Do you want to force others to believe it too?

    There is a reason our forefathers put separation of church and state into our constitution. They remembered governments in Europe forcing people to practice THEIR religion or else. They left Europe and came here to escape all that persecution. Separation of church and state not only represents freedom of religion, but freedom FROM religion as well.

    The way I see it, if you want to force your religion down the throats of others, you should move to a country where forcing religion down the throats of others is accepted..... Like Iran.
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    Re: Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Ses

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And we long ago divorced government from religion for the benefit of both.
    Unfortunately, the success of Republicans in placing hard right conservatives on the bench of the Supreme Court of the United States may change the terms of the divorce.

    Supreme Court to weigh in on legislative prayers
    The Supreme Court said Monday it will hear a new case on the intersection of religion and government in a dispute over prayers used to open public meetings.

    The justices said they will review an appeals court ruling that held that the town of Greece in suburban Rochester in upstate New York violated the Constitution by opening nearly every meeting over an 11-year span with prayers that stressed Christianity.
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    Two town residents who are not Christian complained that they felt marginalized by the steady stream of Christian prayers and challenged the practice. They are represented by Americans United for Separation of Church and State.

    Reacting to the court action Monday, the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, Americans United executive director, said, "A town council meeting isn't a church service, and it shouldn't seem like one."
    Why should a town council open with a prayer or invocation of any type?
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Ses

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    They might not represent the interests of all the people, but they do owe allegiance to everyone. Not just the people they share a religion with.
    If what you say is true, then it is the atheists we need to watch out for, because they are apparently so bereft of morality that they would blindly show allegience to a nation, no matter the course of action. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot... you just may be on to something there.

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