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    Re: Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Ses

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Hyperbole much?
    It depends.

    It's pretty easy, given the histrionics of the religious right.

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    Re: Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Ses

    See. this is how you start a new religion kids. You put up symbols while demolishing others.

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    Re: Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Ses

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Bowing your head represents a recognition that there is something greater than yourself, an acknowledgement without which public service is impossible.
    No, it represents submission to authority. You don't bow your head in awe of a supernova. You don't bow your head because you serve a population of people. You bow to a king, to a ruler. And that is the ultimate reason why religion cannot have a place in a modern government. The ultimate allegiance of the government and its officials is to the people, not to anything else. Lawmakers who serve god do not serve the people.
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    Re: Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Ses

    In the Catholic religion one is taught to be far more submissive than bowing one's head--one is conditioned to kneel. Shall we have all legislatures kneel to start the proceedings?

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    Re: Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Ses

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    No, it represents submission to authority.
    No, it represents humility.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Ses

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    In the Catholic religion one is taught to be far more submissive than bowing one's head--one is conditioned to kneel.
    Kneeling in the presence of Christ's body and blood, yes.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Ses

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Lawmakers who serve god do not serve the people.
    Most find it easy to do both.

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    Re: Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Ses

    There's never a good reason to bow in a democratic Western society, IMO.
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    Re: Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Ses

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Most find it easy to do both.
    And when there is a conflict, which takes priority? If your answer is "god", then you are not doing your job. Go be a priest. You have no business as a lawmaker in a secular government.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    No, it represents humility.
    You may feel humble when you submit to an authority, but that doesn't change what bowing, lowering yourself, actually is. That's what an act of humility, of humiliation, is. Making yourself look lower to show someone else's power over you.
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    Re: Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Ses

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    And when there is a conflict, which takes priority? If your answer is "god", then you are not doing your job. Go be a priest. You have no business as a lawmaker in a secular government.
    If you're representing others who serve God, then you're doing both.

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