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    Re: Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Ses

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    Well considering Scientology tries to scam you and real religions do not, I would say it is a cult.
    Having been raised Roman Catholic, it seems to me ALL religions scam you. That is why they start with infants and children--the scam starts before the age of reason. If the scam is successful, it generally lasts through adulthood.

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    Re: Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Ses

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    I guess that today I associate Arizona with far-right folks like Arapaio and Brewer and SB 1070. It seems the religious right is usually closely allied with them, but I'm sure there are some exceptions.
    With so many people moving into Arizona from elsewhere in the last couple of decades, it may be not the Goldwater country anymore. Arapaio, for example, is from Massachusetts and settled there are after a long career with the DEA, in DC and abroad. But in any case the anti-immigrant types need not be religious or associated with the religious right, of course.

    I have good friends who are active in a local tea party, and according to them, there was practically no pressure from social conservatives to change the agenda from the pure "fiscal responsibility, constitutional government". In sharp contrast to what was going on in many other states.

    Every confrontation was over illegal immigration, and basically consisted of attempts by the single-issue SB1070 types to turn tea parties into their vehicles. At which they have failed: in the year when any kind of anti-establishment credentials gave you TP endorsements and often subsequent victory, the anti-immigrant populist candidate got neither:

    http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...-politico.html

    And now both AZ Senators - McCain and the pretty libertarian (using the term generously) Jeff Flake - are a part of the Gang of Eight.

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    Re: Atheist State Lawmaker Quotes Carl Sagan Instead of Doing Prayer Before House Ses

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    With so many people moving into Arizona from elsewhere in the last couple of decades, it may be not the Goldwater country anymore. Arapaio, for example, is from Massachusetts and settled there are after a long career with the DEA, in DC and abroad. But in any case the anti-immigrant types need not be religious or associated with the religious right, of course.

    I have good friends who are active in a local tea party, and according to them, there was practically no pressure from social conservatives to change the agenda from the pure "fiscal responsibility, constitutional government". In sharp contrast to what was going on in many other states.

    Every confrontation was over illegal immigration, and basically consisted of attempts by the single-issue SB1070 types to turn tea parties into their vehicles. At which they have failed: in the year when any kind of anti-establishment credentials gave you TP endorsements and often subsequent victory, the anti-immigrant populist candidate got neither:

    http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...-politico.html

    And now both AZ Senators - McCain and the pretty libertarian (using the term generously) Jeff Flake - are a part of the Gang of Eight.
    It's too bad the LP can't pick up some portion of the TP sentiment.

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