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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well i know already you going to be fired up by what i am going to say.

    but their are some people in every group who are some what of a threat, becuase every group is faction, and wants its special interest served, no matter what over the objections of other people.

    i am sure you would agree in the NRA, there are some extremist.

    some in the environmentalist movement, some in the every group.

    but tell me, if a christian sees sin, should that person act as though it does not exist?...should they remain silent, and go along with it as not to anger another person?

    Jesus spoke of sin, he stop anyone from engaging in it but once, while he was in the temple..... but he made clear ...sin is was wrong.

    this church are zealots to the max becuase of their wild actions they take, ......but that does not make everyone, who speaks against the sin of homosexuality a zealot.
    I'm not saying evangelicals are all extremists. I am saying that one of their (regrettable) fixations is condemning gays. They seem fixed on this issue. Of course Jesus never mentioned the issue, not even the word (he was too busy talking about justice for the poor -- something evangelicals avoid talking about) and those who cite Paul on it are misstating his words and intent.

    But there they are fixating on gay sex, when the gospel message is about faith expressing itself through love. As I pointed out in the post above, their judgment of gays already judges them. Paul says explicitly not to judge those outside the church. Period. He says not to judge the (apparently) homosexual idolators of Romans 1. Period. So what do the evangelicals do? Judge gays outside the church. It's as if they set out to deny Paul's admonitions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The ignorance displayed in your assertions here is truly astounding. Truly.

    Up is down, left is right and inside is outside, too.
    Keep ignoring the actual words of Paul to promote your ideology. It's OK with me. I'll stick with what Paul actually says. You can have Pat Robertson.

    Meanwhile: "The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love" Gal 5:6. Evangelicals don't do what counts and have judged themselves because of it. Romans 2:1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    This phase of our history started with Anita Bryant and is ending with the Westboro Church; Maybe we can title this phase as "Going To The Way Stupid----40+ Years of Collective Idiocy in America" ?....................................
    Anita Bryant: a blast from the homophobic past of the religious right. When orange juice was sweet and gay love dare not speak its name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well i know already you going to be fired up by what i am going to say.

    but their are some people in every group who are some what of a threat, becuase every group is faction, and wants its special interest served, no matter what over the objections of other people.

    i am sure you would agree in the NRA, there are some extremist.

    some in the environmentalist movement, some in the every group.

    but tell me, if a christian sees sin, should that person act as though it does not exist?...should they remain silent, and go along with it as not to anger another person?

    Jesus spoke of sin, he stop anyone from engaging in it but once, while he was in the temple..... but he made clear ...sin is wrong.

    this church are zealots to the max becuase of their wild actions they take, ......but that does not make everyone, who speaks against the sin of homosexuality a zealot.


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    Re: Westboro Baptist Church Member Blames Oklahoma Tornado On Jason Collins' Coming O

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    I'm not saying evangelicals are all extremists. I am saying that one of their (regrettable) fixations is condemning gays. They seem fixed on this issue. Of course Jesus never mentioned the issue, not even the word (he was too busy talking about justice for the poor -- something evangelicals avoid talking about) and those who cite Paul on it are misstating his words and intent.

    But there they are fixating on gay sex, when the gospel message is about faith expressing itself through love. As I pointed out in the post above, their judgment of gays already judges them. Paul says explicitly not to judge those outside the church. Period. He says not to judge the (apparently) homosexual idolators of Romans 1. Period. So what do the evangelicals do? Judge gays outside the church. It's as if they set out to deny Paul's admonitions.
    that is becuase the gay issue is at hand currently, Jesus did not speak of homosexuality, but it is a sin.

    justice for the poor is not social justice , which is what is being preached, Jesus was not about force of any kind, but social justice is.

    again who are seeing a focus on homosexuality, , becuase it is at the forefront of arguments today in our state governments and approaching our federal government, this is why the issue in growing among Christians.

    yes some christian do judge homosexuals the person,...it is the sin, that christian are suppose to have issue with not the person, god and christian, are supposed to love their fellow man.

    but did Jesus say, "he who is without sin, cast the first stone", ....but concluded " go and sin no more".

    from your reading of the bible, from what i get, you saying Christians, can only discuss sin inside closed doors of the church, and not in the public square, when anything takes place in the public square every citizen, has a right to voice his concern.

    as a christian as you profess, you know homosexuality is a sin, ..do you not?

    one does not have to be a zealot over the issue, but one as a practicing christian, does not have to be silent and allow those whom wish to support a sin, go unabated.

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    Re: Westboro Baptist Church Member Blames Oklahoma Tornado On Jason Collins' Coming O

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    It was worth it................
    my friend, i am not here to physical stop you from engaging in the actively you seek, however when things from that actively are brought into the public square, everyone has a right, to speak in support or opposition.

    which seems to be a problem with some people...as if some have...... no right to criticize or to praise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well i know already you going to be fired up by what i am going to say.

    but their are some people in every group who are some what of a threat, becuase every group is faction, and wants its special interest served, no matter what over the objections of other people.

    i am sure you would agree in the NRA, there are some extremist.

    some in the environmentalist movement, some in the every group.

    but tell me, if a christian sees sin, should that person act as though it does not exist?...should they remain silent, and go along with it as not to anger another person?

    Jesus spoke of sin, he stop anyone from engaging in it but once, while he was in the temple..... but he made clear ...sin is wrong.

    this church are zealots to the max becuase of their wild actions they take, ......but that does not make everyone, who speaks against the sin of homosexuality a zealot.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    that is becuase the gay issue is at hand currently, Jesus did not speak of homosexuality, but it is a sin.

    justice for the poor is not social justice , which is what is being preached, Jesus was not about force of any kind, but social justice is.

    again who are seeing a focus on homosexuality, , becuase it is at the forefront of arguments today in our state governments and approaching our federal government, this is why the issue in growing among Christians.

    yes some christian do judge homosexuals the person,...it is the sin, that christian are suppose to have issue with not the person, god and christian, are supposed to love their fellow man.

    but did Jesus say, "he who is without sin, cast the first stone", ....but concluded " go and sin no more".

    from your reading of the bible, from what i get, you saying Christians, can only discuss sin inside closed doors of the church, and not in the public square, when anything takes place in the public square every citizen, has a right to voice his concern.

    as a christian as you profess, you know homosexuality is a sin, ..do you not?

    one does not have to be a zealot over the issue, but one as a practicing christian, does not have to be silent and allow those whom wish to support a sin, go unabated.
    What is "Christianity" anyways ? Some sort of pick & choose Judaism tailored to the low information masses ?....................

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    Re: Westboro Baptist Church Member Blames Oklahoma Tornado On Jason Collins' Coming O

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    What is "Christianity" anyways ? Some sort of pick & choose Judaism tailored to the low information masses ?....................
    well if that's is your opinion your welcome to it has any american is.

    however their are many highly educated people, who are people of faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    When will people stop paying attention to Westboro. They want press. Not giving it to them might help them go away.
    On this point I agree. Their 15 minutes is long past due.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    as a christian as you profess, you know homosexuality is a sin, ..do you not?

    one does not have to be a zealot over the issue, but one as a practicing christian, does not have to be silent and allow those whom wish to support a sin, go unabated.
    Not convinced it is. There are books on this explaining the different readings and how meanings were changed under King James. There is room for doubt.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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