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    Re: WH Senior Aides Knew Details Of IRS Probe But Didnít Tell Obama, Spokesman Says

    tampering (huffpo link above):

    MENENDEZ: Inspector General, did Chairman Issa send a letter on August 3rd of 2012 to all the inspector generals reminding them that under the Inspector Generals Act, it requires IGs to report particularly flagrant problems to Congress through the agency head within seven days, via what has been known as the seven-day letter? Did you receive that letter? And, if so, did you respond to inform Chairman Isaa of your investigation into the IRS?

    GEORGE: Senator, we did receive the letter, and Chairman Issa's committee was the first to actually contact us regarding this matter. And so through the course of engaging the review, on occasion we have had communications with his staff.

    MENENDEZ: In 2012?

    GEORGE: And since then, yes.
    LOL!

    new jersey senator robt menendez, by the way, is currently under fbi investigation

    Grand jury investigating Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), people familiar with probe say - The Washington Post

    everyone knew, shulman, miller, lerner, ruemmler, mcdonough, george, lew...

    everyone except obama

    still, they lied

    Republicans are training their attacks on acting IRS Commissioner Steve Miller amid new revelations that he and the agency’s former top official knew employees were targeting conservative groups but failed to notify Congress despite repeated requests.

    Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch, the top Republican on the Finance Committee, and 10 other GOP lawmakers wrote to then-IRS Commissioner Doug Shulman on June 18, 2012, demanding answers on why the agency requested donor information from groups seeking nonprofit status.

    By the time this letter was sent, Shulman and Miller, who was the deputy IRS commissioner at the time, had been aware of the extent of the targeting program for about a month.

    Still, in a Sept. 11, 2012, response to the letter, Miller offered a broad interpretation of the law allowing the request for donor information and said nothing about the targeting practice.

    The letters between Hatch and Miller are written in dry tax-speak but are shaping up as central to GOP claims that Miller hid what he knew about the targeting, even as Hatch and others asked the IRS directly — and pointedly — about whether it was going on.

    But Miller’s reply gave no hint that he did, in fact, have knowledge about what Hatch was seeking.
    Orrin Hatch: IRS purposefully misled me - Lauren French - POLITICO.com

    more lies:

    While this was happening, several committees in Congress were writing numerous letters to IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman to express concern because tea party groups were complaining of IRS harassment.

    In Shulman's responses, he did not acknowledge targeting of tea party groups. At a congressional hearing March 22, 2012, Shulman was adamant in his denials. "There's absolutely no targeting. This is the kind of back and forth that happens to people" who apply for tax-exempt status, Shulman said at the House Ways and Means subcommittee hearing.
    Report: IRS knew of targeting in 2011 - Philly.com

    and more:

    Michigan Rep. Sander Levin, the committee’s top Democrat, said Miller and former IRS Commissioner Doug Shulman had an “obligation” to inform the committee of the targeting program.

    “Neither fulfilled their obligations,” he said.
    Ousted IRS chief Steven Miller defiant as GOP attacks - Lauren French and Kelsey Snell - POLITICO.com

    joe crowley from queens, ways and means last friday:

    Dem: Ex-IRS chief lied to Congress - The Hill

    why can't obama say flat out that he did not know what was going on at his irs for 2 years, why does he confine his remarks to knowledge of the tigta report?

    and does he really expect anyone to believe that denis mcdonough, cos, knew tigta's conclusions while barack obama didn't?

    seeya in evil issa's awful oversight tomorrow

    seeya in the brady briefing room all year

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    Re: WH Senior Aides Knew Details Of IRS Probe But Didnít Tell Obama, Spokesman Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    I wonder whatever you think I was not correct about? That dozens of posters have already tried unsuccessfully to try and make hey of the fact that Issa was advised that IRS was investigating conservatives? The collective answer is a giant so what? Aside from that bromide, the fact that you still think the article says a thing about republicans (plural) or the GOP at all? Not surprisingly that is not contained in the article, much less the first sentence. Proving once again the age old axiom, reading really is essential.
    There is absolutely nothing wrong with the GOP being informed, just as there is nothing wrong with people in the White Hous being informed. Being informed that an investigation is occurring is not a scandal. It is not illegal, improper, underhanded, or in anyway reprehensible. However, acting on that information can be. So unless someone acted on the that information improperly, there is no scandal.

    People in the Treasury knew, people in the White House knew, and GOPers in the House knew. So what????? It's not a scandal because there's no indication that anyone interfered with the investigation or tried to spin it politically before the IG report was finished.

    Do you deny that house GOP leaders were made aware of the investigation? If the answer is no, then I have no idea what you're ranting on about.

    I quoted an article titled ďRepublicans Informed of IRS Investigation Last YearĒ. In the first sentence the article says ďRepublicans who requested the investigation were also told about it at approximately the same time.Ē My point was that Republicans also knew that there was an IG investigation into these allegations. That's the only point that I've made and it is easily verifiable with alternate sources.

    But please, It's quite amusing to read someone criticize my reading comprehension.

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    Re: WH Senior Aides Knew Details Of IRS Probe But Didnít Tell Obama, Spokesman Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    There is absolutely nothing wrong with the GOP being informed, just as there is nothing wrong with people in the White Hous being informed. Being informed that an investigation is occurring is not a scandal. It is not illegal, improper, underhanded, or in anyway reprehensible. However, acting on that information can be. So unless someone acted on the that information improperly, there is no scandal.

    People in the Treasury knew, people in the White House knew, and GOPers in the House knew. So what????? It's not a scandal because there's no indication that anyone interfered with the investigation or tried to spin it politically before the IG report was finished.

    Do you deny that house GOP leaders were made aware of the investigation? If the answer is no, then I have no idea what you're ranting on about.

    I quoted an article titled “Republicans Informed of IRS Investigation Last Year”. In the first sentence the article says “Republicans who requested the investigation were also told about it at approximately the same time.” My point was that Republicans also knew that there was an IG investigation into these allegations. That's the only point that I've made and it is easily verifiable with alternate sources.

    But please, It's quite amusing to read someone criticize my reading comprehension.
    This was your ball of wax, not mine. You dragged it into a thread about the administration as if it was relevant. I asked you so what? It is quite amusing that you have your panties in a wad because I pointed out that we do in fact have several threads were posters tried unsuccessfully to make hey of the fact that Issa knew that conservatives were being targeted. You seem to have thought that meant something, what was that something? That Issa and the republicans, nay not just republicans but THE GOP, were the ones targeting conservatives with the IRS? Do you even have a point? What ever was it supposed to be? Let me know when you have it all worked out in your head finally.
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    Re: WH Senior Aides Knew Details Of IRS Probe But Didnít Tell Obama, Spokesman Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    This was your ball of wax, not mine. You dragged it into a thread about the administration as if it was relevant. I asked you so what? It is quite amusing that you have your panties in a wad because I pointed out that we do in fact have several threads were posters tried unsuccessfully to make hey of the fact that Issa knew that conservatives were being targeted. You seem to have thought that meant something, what was that something? That Issa and the republicans, nay not just republicans but THE GOP, were the ones targeting conservatives with the IRS? Do you even have a point? What ever was it supposed to be? Let me know when you have it all worked out in your head finally.
    Being aware of an investigation is not the same thing as doing the thing being investigated. The OP posted that people in the administration knew. I posted that Republicans also knew.

    But troll away.

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    Re: WH Senior Aides Knew Details Of IRS Probe But Didnít Tell Obama, Spokesman Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Being aware of an investigation is not the same thing as doing the thing being investigated. The OP posted that people in the administration knew. I posted that Republicans also knew.

    But troll away.
    So you still can't say what the relevance of your link about Issa being aware of this investigation has to do with this thread. That was obvious the moment you tried to drag in the republicans and the GOP. So to whom you think you are lecturing these redundant points that not one person (unless they are living in a cave) is unaware is a study in self indulgent non sense. The fact that Issa knew there was an investigation is irrelevant to the fact that we now know WH senior aides (which was a NEW revelation when it was posted) were in fact aware of this investigation and claiming they did not tell the POTUS. But I suppose Issa's knowledge of the IRS shenanigans could end up being quite relevant in the end. Issa said recently he has been investigating and working on this matter a while now. Might just turn out he has more up his sleeve about what the IRS has been up to, having been aware of it, in a feed fools enough rope to hang themselves with way. So again, reading being essential, when you try to drag the republicans and the GOP into a thread about the new revelation that WH aides are NOW said to have known about this, whereas they were not supposed to have before? Try to make it have some relevance outside of an idiotic bromide, which to all appearances looks like a jerk defense of the administration. Not a very intelligent or relevant one, but again this was your ball of stinky earwax not mine.
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    Re: WH Senior Aides Knew Details Of IRS Probe But Didnít Tell Obama, Spokesman Says

    Oh and just to clarify, that would be a knee jerk defense of the administration. Not jerk defense, though still not a very intelligent or relevant knee jerk defense of the administrations latest drip of ever changing daily information about the IRS scandal. Aside from their go to continued defense that they are not crooked, just incompetent.

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    Re: WH Senior Aides Knew Details Of IRS Probe But Didnít Tell Obama, Spokesman Says

    THis story has all the characteristics of a wild fire. The Administration keeps digging fire lines and the fire keeps jumping the line. Now the line has been dug at the president's feet.

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