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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Yes they were...Republicans just are the party of NO. They won't vote for their own ideas or even for another Republican if it has anything to do with Obama.
    No they weren't. And if your best argument is "they were Republican ideas" then you really need to come up with better arguments. Democrats passed healthcare, without a single Republican vote. The blood is on their hands.

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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    No they weren't. And if your best argument is "they were Republican ideas" then you really need to come up with better arguments. Democrats passed healthcare, without a single Republican vote. The blood is on their hands.
    The entire idea of the insurance mandate was a REPUBLICAN IDEA. Learn your legislative history. Obama dropped the idea for a public option in order to try to appease the Republicans and a handful of blue-dog democrats. He was able to attract a couple of the blue-dogs, enough to get the bill passed, but still couldn't get a single Republican to support ideas that were theirs in the first place. The party of NO wanted desperately to make Obama a one-term President and deny him any kind of "victory", even if it meant opposing their own people and their own ideas. Look no further than Republicans opposing Hagel if you doubt it.
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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Typical Democrat. If the economy recovers by 2016 it will be because of how "pro-jobs" the Democrats are.
    If it does recover, it will have nothing to do with the federal government.

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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The entire idea of the insurance mandate was a REPUBLICAN IDEA. Learn your legislative history. Obama dropped the idea for a public option in order to try to appease the Republicans and a handful of blue-dog democrats. He was able to attract a couple of the blue-dogs, enough to get the bill passed, but still couldn't get a single Republican to support ideas that were theirs in the first place. The party of NO wanted desperately to make Obama a one-term President and deny him any kind of "victory", even if it meant opposing their own people and their own ideas. Look no further than Republicans opposing Hagel if you doubt it.
    I've already discussed this. The insurance mandate is an entirely different animal when you combine it with further restrictions on medical underwriting that are going to cause costs to skyrocket. When you look at the whole picture of the bill, it definitely was NOT a Republican idea, even if the Democrats took some Republican ideas and twisted them to suit their liking.....

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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    and he was correct
    it will fade
    and the healthcare system will be tweaked to become better
    Santayana was correct. we forget our history at our own peril
    social security faced similar opposition when FDR pushed it thru

    the 1% buys access to government. they don't need the social safety net (personally, anyway), and they see no reason to support social safety net programs
    nothing new here

    but kudos to Senator Snowe; it was her vote that kept discussion of the Obamacare program alive. but for her vote, it would have probably died
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    I've already discussed this. The insurance mandate is an entirely different animal when you combine it with further restrictions on medical underwriting that are going to cause costs to skyrocket. When you look at the whole picture of the bill, it definitely was NOT a Republican idea, even if the Democrats took some Republican ideas and twisted them to suit their liking.....
    They weren't twisted to suit "our" liking. They were offered as compromises in an attempt to appease the blue-dogs and try to draw in some Republican support by using THEIR ideas. The public option was a much much much better plan, but without a single Republican vote and the blue-dogs rejecting it, we got stuck with the watered down Republican ideas. Hopefully in the future we can fix it.
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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I did for several years - actually my income rose to around 17k eventually. I didn't have a car, but led a fairly normal life otherwise.
    The when would matter. But today, I doubt hat seriously. Of course I still think jeans should cost ten dollars.

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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    They weren't twisted to suit "our" liking. They were offered as compromises in an attempt to appease the blue-dogs and try to draw in some Republican support by using THEIR ideas. The public option was a much much much better plan, but without a single Republican vote and the blue-dogs rejecting it, we got stuck with the watered down Republican ideas. Hopefully in the future we can fix it.
    Its not a Republican idea when you combine it with restricting medical underwriting. It completely changes the substance of the provision.

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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    That's why you can have a government program that contributes to the savings accounts. The government can subsidize the system.

    And its more moral to steal from me to pay for him/her? Forbidding medical underwriting raises costs on the system overall. No one is talking about letting the obese smoker die. My entire point is expect me to subsidize someone else's risk is a moral hazard. By definition. And you have yet to refute that (or even attempt to do so).

    What on earth are you talking about? My point was they are limiting FSA contributions to force people onto traditional healthcare plans. I don't see you discuss that anywhere in your post.

    You're the one who said that they weren't able to receive care. I just showed they are able to do so. Sometimes they may choose not to, but the ability is there for them even if they don't have coverage.

    Illegal immigrants seem to have gotten the memo, they receive free coverage at our hospitals all the time.
    No one s stealing from you. That's a sad and rather cheap debate tactic. And the money the government would subsidize for savings would also come from you, as does the money that makes up for those paying right now.

    Again, the only way to force is to ban or outlaw. No one is forced not to use anything.

    No, your trying to deal in absolutes; I'm not. Many are not able to get adequate care. That's a fact.

    And you want illegals to get care. You have no idea what they might bring with them that could be communicable. Our leaders have shown no will to stop illegal immigration despite enough was on the books to do so. So, you either adjust to the reality, or change leadership. But I warn you that there s a reason nothing's been done, and new leadership won't likely change it.

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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    You're right, but I would certainly hope the worst parts of it would be curtailed under a Romney administration. I see the APA as having a lot of good ideas that are laced with cyanide. Detoxify the bill, and the overall impact will be overwhelmingly positive.
    I doubt it. He'd have likely made it worse. As I noted earlier, they are opposed to actually paying for things.

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