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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    It won't diminish as long as republicans keep trying to repeal it. 37 times and millions of dollars later it is still the law of the land.
    Until the next election, possibly.

    Republicans know this is just a gimmick. They are setting themselves up for midterms and the 2016 race in the aftermath of this trainwreck to be able to say "we told you so! 37 times!"

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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    So why can't I save for my own old age healthcare instead of paying for a 500 pound obese smoker's old age healthcare? That is a moral hazard.

    Where did I say they were outlawed? It would be wise of you to read my actual points instead of making ones up for me.

    I'm saying, it is a myth that they don't receive any healthcare. They do. And again, price fixing isn't the solution to any problem.
    You can, but most don't. And working poor largely can't. Not realistically. And you can refuse care to the 500 lb smoker. Sure. Let em die is an option, but I wouldn't call it a moral one. Instead we've been straddling that line very in effectively. Much more moral and cost effective to plan to have care for all.

    I have paid attention. And my point stands. You've given a vague limiting. Outside of outlawing, there really is no valid compliant you've listed yet.

    You're cutting he point too fine. They don't receive adequate care. Many go without vital care. Try not to deal in absolutes.

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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Until the next election, possibly.

    Republicans know this is just a gimmick. They are setting themselves up for midterms and the 2016 race in the aftermath of this trainwreck to be able to say "we told you so! 37 times!"
    I'm not so sure that is how this will go down. I think to most people except for congress know it is a done deal.
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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Until the next election, possibly.

    Republicans know this is just a gimmick. They are setting themselves up for midterms and the 2016 race in the aftermath of this trainwreck to be able to say "we told you so! 37 times!"
    And the democrats will argue " 2010 was about jobs, you ran on a platform of job creation, so where are the jobs?"

    The economy is still the central issue, and voting to repal somthing 37 times sounds more like obsesive compulsive disorder then a plan to fix the economy.

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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Until the next election, possibly.

    Republicans know this is just a gimmick. They are setting themselves up for midterms and the 2016 race in the aftermath of this trainwreck to be able to say "we told you so! 37 times!"
    It likely would not have been repealed had Romney won. The noise would just fade.

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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's not true. The working poor are the most under represented group in American. Many work and thus don't qualify for government programs and can't afford either insurance or to pay for he care themselves. Much has been written in this.
    Many (or all) of the working poor (depending on how you define it) are below poverty and eligible for Medicaid. If you don't have kids, you won't qualify with a minimum wage job. At $15,000 per year, you can afford coverage, but yes, will probably feel it. On the other hand, few people make minimum wage, and most of those are very young. The vast majority move up considerably within the first year. Not trying to say it's easy for these people to afford care, I just think it's a bit of a stretch to say that they're denied care.

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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Many (or all) of the working poor (depending on how you define it) are below poverty and eligible for Medicaid. If you don't have kids, you won't qualify with a minimum wage job. At $15,000 per year, you can afford coverage, but yes, will probably feel it. On the other hand, few people make minimum wage, and most of those are very young. The vast majority move up considerably within the first year. Not trying to say it's easy for these people to afford care, I just think it's a bit of a stretch to say that they're denied care.
    Again, not true. The poverty line is artificial and does not reflect what it costs to live in America. And no, you cannot afford coverage at 15 k a year. Not realistically.

    And, no, it's not stretch. Yes, they can use the ER. And sometimes there are free clinic opportunities. But they can't keep up with the need.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, not true. The poverty line is artificial and does not reflect what it costs to live in America. And no, you cannot afford coverage at 15 k a year. Not realistically.
    I did for several years - actually my income rose to around 17k eventually. I didn't have a car, but led a fairly normal life otherwise.

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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    I'm not so sure that is how this will go down. I think to most people except for congress know it is a done deal.
    The law itself may be a done deal, in the sense that it won't be repealed wholesale. But that doesn't mean parts of it cannot be scrapped or changed over time.

    The point is, Republicans are setting themselves up to capitalize on the next two elections when premiums begin to skyrocket.

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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Once again, worn out diversion topic. Why don't liberals ever want to debate the merits of the bill?
    Why don't Rastafarians smoke begonias?

    You applied a label to me and then accused me of failing to do something that was not relevant to the assertion I was responding to.

    I would be happy to debate the merits of the bill.

    I am disappointed with the bill because the central component of the bill is a giveaway to the health insurance industry (the old Republican idea of free market universal healthcare) and the only component that would have mitigated the risks associated with that aspect was killed in negotiations, the public option.

    Sadly, I honestly believe that if Republicans honestly engaged, we could have come up with a bill that was much better than the one we got. Instead, Republicans forced Democrats to get agreement from every single Democrat, making some aspects of the bill a bit dodgy.

    People act as if our health insurance system (or lack of a system) was anything but a total disaster before Obamacare. We did not get to the point of needing to address this issue because our system was running smoothly.

    Republicans had 16 years to address the healthcare disaster in our country and did NOTHING, not a single bill introduced, no tort reform bills, no bills to take allow selling insurance across state lines, no bills to permanently address the Doc Gap, or the Donut hole. In fact, the only significant bill was the unfunded Medicare part D bill at a cost of over $40 billion per year with no offsets whatsoever.

    On the merits, I would say that this is the best bill they could get passed, and it is has its shortcomings, which could be tweaked over time if the House would spend a moment realizing that they are not going to repeal this bill, but they could be a part of fixing it, instead they have wasted our time and money voting to repeal the same bill 37 times. Every big program in America had to be tweaked and fixed after passage, this one is no different, except that Republicans are not interested in making it better, they want it gone or they want to have as many flaws as it can have.

    One glaringly obvious mistake in Obamacare was the 1099 reporting provision, Republicans refused to vote to amend this element for a year after it was recognized as a big problem, but finally acted after their own base begged for this fix.

    What provisions of the bill would you like to debate on the merits?

    There are some provisions that I would like to see gone, some changed, some added.
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