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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Defensive medicine + tort costs only around $100B. Of course the savings wouldn't be absolutely enormous, but its an easy cost to reduce right off the bat. Patient noncompliance costs around $200B a year. That's over $300B of pure waste that can be chopped down right from the get go. Mind you If we were to reduce even have of these costs, that would lead more savings in health care costs than every doctor in America working for free for a year.

    Please tell me exactly which Republicans were pushing limits on flexible spending accounts, throwing another 30 million people on Medicaid, hundreds of billions of dollars in new taxes, fixing premium costs to a % of income (rent control and price setting has NEVER worked in any sector, and it damn sure won't work in healthcare) and further restricting medical underwriting (the fact that I will be paying only 1/3rd in what someone who is old, obese, and has diabetes despite using less then 1/20th the amount of healthcare they use is complete bull****, through and through)?

    Yeah, Republicans had the idea of an individual mandate as well as health care exchanges to shop for insurance. By itself, these may have been good ideas. But when you combine an individual mandate with restricting underwriting? That is a radical shifting of costs onto the relatively healthy for the benefit of the extremely unhealthy. When you combine these two policies together, it turns the individual mandate into a completely different animal. So saying it was a "Republican idea" is downright dishonest when you know for a fact that no Republican would support the healthcare law in its present form. Some of healthcare is about life choices, and I am staunchly against any program that attempts to punish those who make all the right choices for the benefit of those who do not.
    Such things require a way to pay for them. And being opposed to paying for anything has always hurt republican credibility. Tort reform, as I said, would have little effect. As for restricting, isn't this where people go off the deep end and start talking about death panels and other such nonsense?

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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    That's funny that you mention misinformation. Because every time I bring up what is actually in the bill, most Libs want absolutely no part of that debate.
    I don't speak for most liberals. But it is possible you ignore what they their response really is because you put too much emphasis on what you THINK is in the bill. But I would have to study your responses more to know for sure.

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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Does this worn out talking point ever get old? The bill was passed 3 years ago, and it is freely available for scrutiny on the merits of it and it alone. The bill is a train wreck, and hiding behind rhetoric and diversion tactics isn't going to save it.
    I know facts are talking points, but when you answer a claim, as I did, I must refer to facts no matter when it was, factually.

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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    Yes, they crammed the bill through using irregular procedures on the assumption that they could fix all the mistakes later.
    A fine valid assumption if they go to work on it. I have and continued to suggest that we stop whining and ask our congress critters to go to work. I don't think this is unreasonable.

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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Not one Republican voted for it! Not one.

    Is this going in the direction of blaming the Republicans for Obamacare? Is that the Dems new strategy?
    Again, and read this slowly, that has nothing to do with I said. Two separate issues.

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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    "Oppose anything Obama" when Obamacare was littered with Republican ideas? Why would that be?
    Because hey hate Obama? Seriously, they said it. Ask the republicans why?

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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Such things require a way to pay for them. And being opposed to paying for anything has always hurt republican credibility. Tort reform, as I said, would have little effect. As for restricting, isn't this where people go off the deep end and start talking about death panels and other such nonsense?
    So you agree that this entire bill is about cost shifting. Forcing people onto the system with individual mandates and limiting flexible spending accounts. The old getting paid for by the young. The obese getting paid for the in-shape. The poor getting paid for by everyone. It is by definition a moral hazard.

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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Because hey hate Obama? Seriously, they said it. Ask the republicans why?
    Because it is a terrible bill, and you still are avoiding talking about what is actually in it.

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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I know facts are talking points, but when you answer a claim, as I did, I must refer to facts no matter when it was, factually.
    Facts would be talking about the bill. Talking points would be talking about Republicans.

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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It might once Obama's not in office any more. After all, it holds a lot of republican ideas.
    And as I recall those ideas were shot down the first time. If those idea's were shot down once then what makes you think that those idea's would be acceptable now?

    Oh wait...you're just using a meme....nvm.
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