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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Polling went up a few months after it was passed to above 50% but that will likely change once people start getting smacked with the reality beginning in October.
    A family of four getting smacked with a $20,000 per year Obama Care premium will be more like a sucker punch.

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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It was a train that went uninspected before it even left the station. The wreck was inevitable.
    A train to Atlantis. They knew where it was going.

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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Then where is tort reform?
    Could have had tort reform with one single Republican vote, but Republicans were more interested in seeing he President fail than the bill improve. But the core of he bill is the Republican alternative proposal to Hillarycare, as fleshed out by the Heritage Foundation and embraced by many Republicans as a free market solution to universal health care... Until Obama liked it, then it became StalinHitlerLeninKenyanMuslimCare.
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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    A family of four getting smacked with a $20,000 per year Obama Care premium will be more like a sucker punch.
    We should find out what the premiums will actually be around October. Lets talk then.
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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    We should find out what the premiums will actually be around October. Lets talk then.
    I'm just going by what I heard a week ago and they didn't say October but just said in 2014.

    Internal cost estimates from 17 of the nation's largest insurance companies indicate that health insurance premiums will grow an average of 100 percent under Obamacare, and that some will soar more than 400 percent, crushing the administration's goal of affordability.

    New regulations, policies, taxes, fees and mandates are the reason for the unexpected "rate shock," according to the House Energy and Commerce Committee, which released a report Monday based on internal documents provided by the insurance companies. The 17 companies include Aetna, Blue Cross Blue Shield and Kaiser Foundation.

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    The report found that individuals will face "premium increases of nearly 100 percent on average, with potential highs eclipsing 400 percent. Meanwhile, small businesses can expect average premium increases in the small group market of up to 50 percent, with potential highs over 100 percent."

    One company said that new participants in the individual market could see a premium increase of 413 percent when new requirements on age rating and required benefits are taken into account, said the report. "The average yearly cost for a new customer in the individual market grows from $1,896 to $3,708 -- a $1,812 cost increase," it added.

    The key reasons for the surge in premiums include providing wider services than people are now paying for and adding less healthy people to the rolls of insured, said the report.

    It concluded: "Despite promises that the law will lower costs, [Obamacare] will in fact cause the premiums of many Americans to spike substantially. The broken promises are numerous, and the empirical data reveal that many Americans, from recent college graduates to older adults, will not be able to afford the law's higher costs."
    Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion | WashingtonExaminer.com

    At his press conference Tuesday, President Obama assured Americans that, “To the 85-90 percent of Americans who already have health insurance: They’re already experiencing most of the benefits of the Affordable Care Act even if they don’t know it.”

    Those benefits apparently include higher premiums. According to the Wall Street Journal, insurers are warning that premiums in the individual and small-group markets could double in the next few years. Already, they are well on their way. For example, California health insurers are proposing increases for some customers of 20 percent or more: 26 percent by Blue Cross, 22 percent by Aetna, and 20 percent by Blue Shield. In Maryland, Care First, the state’s largest insurer, has proposed a 25 percent increase for next year.

    Younger and healthier Americans can expect to pay even more. According to a survey by the American Action Forum, healthy young people in the individual or small-group insurance markets can look forward to rate increases averaging as much as 169 percent.

    Read more: Obamacare's 'benefits' are gradually becoming apparent | The Daily Caller

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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I'm just going by what I heard a week ago and they didn't say October but just said in 2014.

    Internal cost estimates from 17 of the nation's largest insurance companies indicate that health insurance premiums will grow an average of 100 percent under Obamacare, and that some will soar more than 400 percent, crushing the administration's goal of affordability.

    New regulations, policies, taxes, fees and mandates are the reason for the unexpected "rate shock," according to the House Energy and Commerce Committee, which released a report Monday based on internal documents provided by the insurance companies. The 17 companies include Aetna, Blue Cross Blue Shield and Kaiser Foundation.

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    The report found that individuals will face "premium increases of nearly 100 percent on average, with potential highs eclipsing 400 percent. Meanwhile, small businesses can expect average premium increases in the small group market of up to 50 percent, with potential highs over 100 percent."

    One company said that new participants in the individual market could see a premium increase of 413 percent when new requirements on age rating and required benefits are taken into account, said the report. "The average yearly cost for a new customer in the individual market grows from $1,896 to $3,708 -- a $1,812 cost increase," it added.

    The key reasons for the surge in premiums include providing wider services than people are now paying for and adding less healthy people to the rolls of insured, said the report.

    It concluded: "Despite promises that the law will lower costs, [Obamacare] will in fact cause the premiums of many Americans to spike substantially. The broken promises are numerous, and the empirical data reveal that many Americans, from recent college graduates to older adults, will not be able to afford the law's higher costs."
    Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion | WashingtonExaminer.com

    At his press conference Tuesday, President Obama assured Americans that, “To the 85-90 percent of Americans who already have health insurance: They’re already experiencing most of the benefits of the Affordable Care Act even if they don’t know it.”

    Those benefits apparently include higher premiums. According to the Wall Street Journal, insurers are warning that premiums in the individual and small-group markets could double in the next few years. Already, they are well on their way. For example, California health insurers are proposing increases for some customers of 20 percent or more: 26 percent by Blue Cross, 22 percent by Aetna, and 20 percent by Blue Shield. In Maryland, Care First, the state’s largest insurer, has proposed a 25 percent increase for next year.

    Younger and healthier Americans can expect to pay even more. According to a survey by the American Action Forum, healthy young people in the individual or small-group insurance markets can look forward to rate increases averaging as much as 169 percent.

    Read more: Obamacare's 'benefits' are gradually becoming apparent | The Daily Caller
    All of this meaningful if accurate and completely worthless if inaccurate. But from what I understand, the policies that you can buy in January will be posted online with firm pricing in October.

    My expectation is that it will be good for some, bad for others, and pundits will focus on whichever groups help the narrative they are selling.
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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    Could have had tort reform with one single Republican vote, but Republicans were more interested in seeing he President fail than the bill improve. But the core of he bill is the Republican alternative proposal to Hillarycare, as fleshed out by the Heritage Foundation and embraced by many Republicans as a free market solution to universal health care... Until Obama liked it, then it became StalinHitlerLeninKenyanMuslimCare.
    You seem to be confusing a simple idea (an individual mandate) which was originally proposed only as an alternative to the employer mandate (and which lost favor after that) with the thousands and thousands of pages of Obamacare. From the higher taxes to the centralized control over healthcare decisions to the artificial imposition of price floors and ceilings... this is a Democrat boondoggle, Republicans didn't vote for it, and they own no part of the policy.




    As for the OP: Congratulations, Democrats; you now own a disaster. Fade over time? This is going to hurt families an you expect us just to drop it?
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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Twenty-five, thirty years from now, Obama, wrongly, will be credited with moving America to a universal health care system. It won't be because Obamacare was a stepping stone to it - it will be because Obamacare will be identified by the majority of Americans and their government as the disaster it truly is. The only way to recover from it will be a wholesale takeover of much of the system, with those who can afford it also purchasing additional health insurance coverage to supplement what the government program doesn't cover.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    Could have had tort reform with one single Republican vote, but Republicans were more interested in seeing he President fail than the bill improve. But the core of he bill is the Republican alternative proposal to Hillarycare, as fleshed out by the Heritage Foundation and embraced by many Republicans as a free market solution to universal health care... Until Obama liked it, then it became StalinHitlerLeninKenyanMuslimCare.
    Once again, worn out diversion topic. Why don't liberals ever want to debate the merits of the bill?

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