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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Really ? Aside from your mitigations and BS feel good "work together" rhetoric the truth about this bill was it was soley a Democrat bill, with NO Republican input prior to this disaster being passed.

    So you can't arbitrarily blame this on Republican ideas when the GOPs idea's at the time were being ignored.

    The damage this bill has already done has been catastrophic, as Libs afraid of the truth use every other excuse under the sun to explain the last 4.5 years of stagnation, shrinking of the middle class, rising poverty levels and record increases in Dependency.

    How stupid is it in a free market society for a Corrupt administration to arbitrarily mandate increasing cost on every bussiness and private citizen ?

    It's SERIOUSLY stupid, and in no way was the law, a law "we had to pass before we knew what was in it" a Republican bill.

    I know your memory can't be that short to forget the Republicand ideas at the time.
    You don't seem to know or understand what I wrote and argued. Read again, slower.

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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As always, two different issues. I said nothing about the vote, as the decision not to support Obama on anything had already been made. Instead, try and deny that these were not ideas previously put forth by republicans.

    Healthcare reform is too often tainted with demonization and misinformation. The history on efforts at reform is full of this. And this leads more often to nothing getting done at all. This time it led to a poor choice over both a better (the public option) and worse choice (doing nothing once more).

    If we want better, we have to grow up and through the demonization and discuss this like adults wanting to solve a real problem.
    I'm not a defender of the status quo ante but, given Obamacare, doing nothing once more was the obvious right choice.
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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    I'm not a defender of the status quo ante but, given Obamacare, doing nothing once more was the obvious right choice.
    I quite disagree. My hope was people would get to work making it better, but the political "let's oppose anything Obama" has been very resilient, . . . Sadly.

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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    1st, I did say all republican ideas were in the Bill.

    2nd, states have done tort reform with no noticeable change in costs. So while I don't object to reasonable tort reform, it is too hyped by many republicans. It would at best have limited effected.
    Defensive medicine + tort costs only around $100B. Of course the savings wouldn't be absolutely enormous, but its an easy cost to reduce right off the bat. Patient noncompliance costs around $200B a year. That's over $300B of pure waste that can be chopped down right from the get go. Mind you If we were to reduce even have of these costs, that would lead more savings in health care costs than every doctor in America working for free for a year.

    Please tell me exactly which Republicans were pushing limits on flexible spending accounts, throwing another 30 million people on Medicaid, hundreds of billions of dollars in new taxes, fixing premium costs to a % of income (rent control and price setting has NEVER worked in any sector, and it damn sure won't work in healthcare) and further restricting medical underwriting (the fact that I will be paying only 1/3rd in what someone who is old, obese, and has diabetes despite using less then 1/20th the amount of healthcare they use is complete bull****, through and through)?

    Yeah, Republicans had the idea of an individual mandate as well as health care exchanges to shop for insurance. By itself, these may have been good ideas. But when you combine an individual mandate with restricting underwriting? That is a radical shifting of costs onto the relatively healthy for the benefit of the extremely unhealthy. When you combine these two policies together, it turns the individual mandate into a completely different animal. So saying it was a "Republican idea" is downright dishonest when you know for a fact that no Republican would support the healthcare law in its present form. Some of healthcare is about life choices, and I am staunchly against any program that attempts to punish those who make all the right choices for the benefit of those who do not.

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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As always, two different issues. I said nothing about the vote, as the decision not to support Obama on anything had already been made. Instead, try and deny that these were not ideas previously put forth by republicans.

    Healthcare reform is too often tainted with demonization and misinformation. The history on efforts at reform is full of this. And this leads more often to nothing getting done at all. This time it led to a poor choice over both a better (the public option) and worse choice (doing nothing once more).

    If we want better, we have to grow up and through the demonization and discuss this like adults wanting to solve a real problem.
    That's funny that you mention misinformation. Because every time I bring up what is actually in the bill, most Libs want absolutely no part of that debate.

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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I quite disagree. My hope was people would get to work making it better, but the political "let's oppose anything Obama" has been very resilient, . . . Sadly.
    Does this worn out talking point ever get old? The bill was passed 3 years ago, and it is freely available for scrutiny on the merits of it and it alone. The bill is a train wreck, and hiding behind rhetoric and diversion tactics isn't going to save it.

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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I quite disagree. My hope was people would get to work making it better, but the political "let's oppose anything Obama" has been very resilient, . . . Sadly.
    Yes, they crammed the bill through using irregular procedures on the assumption that they could fix all the mistakes later.
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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It might once Obama's not in office any more. After all, it holds a lot of republican ideas.
    Not one Republican voted for it! Not one.

    Is this going in the direction of blaming the Republicans for Obamacare? Is that the Dems new strategy?

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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I quite disagree. My hope was people would get to work making it better, but the political "let's oppose anything Obama" has been very resilient, . . . Sadly.
    "Oppose anything Obama" when Obamacare was littered with Republican ideas? Why would that be?

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    Re: Snowe: President thought opposition to health law would eventually fade away

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Does this worn out talking point ever get old? The bill was passed 3 years ago, and it is freely available for scrutiny on the merits of it and it alone. The bill is a train wreck, and hiding behind rhetoric and diversion tactics isn't going to save it.
    It was a train that went uninspected before it even left the station. The wreck was inevitable.

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