Senate investigators: Apple sheltered $44 billion from taxes

jonny5 · May 23, 2013

specklebang said:
You don't agree that money laundering took place? Apparently they confessed and paid a fine (instead of going to prison like your or I would have) so are you saying they were innocent?

None of that is what you said. You said they were exempted for reasons of wealth alone. I dont agree with that.

specklebang · May 23, 2013

Then please educate me by telling me why they were exempted. I'm not someone who thinks they know everything and I'm open to learning. It seemed to me that they were able to buy their way out of a serious serial felony involving billions of cartel dollars they knowingly handled. This appears to be exemption and I can't come up with another reason other than money for this special treatment. That doesn't mean there isn't one so please share your knowledge (or your surmise).

jonny5 said:
None of that is what you said. You said they were exempted for reasons of wealth alone. I dont agree with that.

Moot · May 23, 2013

Quik said:
I don't agree that the government protects my rights. I feel they routinely violate them.

Is that just a "feeling?" If not, then what rights of yours has the routinely government violated?

TheDemSocialist · May 23, 2013

tech30528 said:
Using existing tax law to avoid taxes is not illegal.

I never said it was illegal

This is another side show to shift attention away from the many recent failings of the administration.

Or its just someone avoiding a **** ton of taxes.

TheDemSocialist · May 23, 2013

jonny5 said:
It would be no different. Corporate taxes only account for 200 billion dollars. The govt spends 3500 billion.

So if its not a bigger number than 200 billion bucks, then ehh whatever. Wont start there.

Quik · May 23, 2013

Moot said:
Is that just a "feeling?" If not, then what rights of yours has the routinely government violated?

My 4th amendment rights.

jonny5 · May 23, 2013

specklebang said:
Then please educate me by telling me why they were exempted. I'm not someone who thinks they know everything and I'm open to learning. It seemed to me that they were able to buy their way out of a serious serial felony involving billions of cartel dollars they knowingly handled. This appears to be exemption and I can't come up with another reason other than money for this special treatment. That doesn't mean there isn't one so please share your knowledge (or your surmise).

I cant prove a negative. You are the one who made the claim, so provide me some evidence that they were exempted for reasons of wealth alone.

specklebang · May 23, 2013

Surely you know that I have no "evidence". Some things are what we call APPARENT. Could I dig up some similar OPINIONS©, sure. I';m not alone in my thoughts. And I can did up opions that Obama is the greatest President in history - would YOU buy that? I didn't think so.

Nothing being discussed here will change the course of history. These ar speculative conversations at best. If you think I am wrong then just say so. Then speculate as to why these bankers were treated so differently than anyone lse might have been. I'm already an adult and familiar with "being unable to prove a negative". Lets leave that train of thought for the religion or philosophy sections.

jonny5 said:
I cant prove a negative. You are the one who made the claim, so provide me some evidence that they were exempted for reasons of wealth alone.

Henrin · May 23, 2013

TheDemSocialist said:
Or its just someone avoiding a **** ton of taxes.

Yeah, this coming up when scandals are running around like bratty little children and its not a diversion. Right...

TheDemSocialist · May 23, 2013

Henrin said:
Yeah, this coming up when scandals are running around like bratty little children and its not a diversion. Right...

:roll:
Yea if there is a "scandal" going on congress should just drop everything and only focus on one thing and one thing only

Henrin · May 23, 2013

TheDemSocialist said:
:roll:
Yea if there is a "scandal" going on congress should just drop everything and only focus on one thing and one thing only

Trying to make a big stink about someone doing something that they know people don't like and yet isn't illegal is a diversion.

TheDemSocialist · May 23, 2013

Henrin said:
Trying to make a big stink about someone doing something that they know people don't like and yet isn't illegal is a diversion.

Well saying this is getting little to no attention in the media, and saying congress is simply doing their job

Henrin · May 23, 2013

TheDemSocialist said:
Well saying this is getting little to no attention in the media, and saying congress is simply doing their job

What job is that exactly? Harassing people that did nothing wrong? Is that their job?

TheDemSocialist · May 23, 2013

Henrin said:
What job is that exactly?

Looking at our tax system and seeing how that needs reforms.

Harassing people that did nothing wrong? Is that their job?

Harassing? How is this harassing?

And you think its some sort of "diversion". Yea i bet this bipartisan committee sat down and was all like "hey lets help out Obama and release this" :roll:

Henrin · May 23, 2013

TheDemSocialist said:
Looking at our tax system and seeing how that needs reforms.

I see nothing about this that needs reform. Are you perhaps just upset that people understand the tax code?

Harassing? How is this harassing?

They are following the law and yet getting grilled for it. See the problem?

And you think its some sort of "diversion". Yea i bet this bipartisan committee sat down and was all like "hey lets help out Obama and release this" :roll:

Yeah, they all came together to figure out how to make more money. Is that really your argument?

TheDemSocialist · May 23, 2013

Henrin said:
I see nothing about this that needs reform.

I sure do.

Are you perhaps just upset that people understand the tax code?

Nope

They are following the law and yet getting grilled for it. See the problem?

I see no problem by this; "“What we intend to do is to highlight that gimmick and other Apple offshore avoidance tactics so that American working families, who pay their share of taxes, understand how offshore tax loopholes raise their tax burden and how those loopholes add to the federal deficit,” said Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.), the chairman of the Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations. The panel initiated the probe with the backing of its top Republican, Sen. John McCain of Arizona.

Yeah, they all came together to figure out how to make more money. Is that really your argument?

Yes. :lamo
Yes John McCain one day woke up and was like "hey im done with this Benghazi and other **** the administration going through right now i think ill help him out" :lamo

Henrin · May 23, 2013

TheDemSocialist said:
I sure do.

I know.

Nope

Sure...

I see no problem by this; "“What we intend to do is to highlight that gimmick and other Apple offshore avoidance tactics so that American working families, who pay their share of taxes, understand how offshore tax loopholes raise their tax burden and how those loopholes add to the federal deficit,” said Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.), the chairman of the Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations. The panel initiated the probe with the backing of its top Republican, Sen. John McCain of Arizona.

It doesn't raise your tax burden. :lamo At best Democrats will just raise taxes on the rich more as a response to it. Just always spending causes deficit. Btw, is there a reason you desire to point out to me that they are doing it because they want the people to get upset as I said they did?

Yes. :lamo
Yes John McCain one day woke up and was like "hey im done with this Benghazi and other **** the administration going through right now i think ill help him out" :lamo

There is always time to get more revenue. Always.

TheDemSocialist · May 23, 2013

Henrin said:
It doesn't raise your tax burden. :lamo At best Democrats will just raise taxes on the rich more as a response to it. Just always spending causes deficit. Btw, is there a reason you desire to point out to me that they are doing it because they want the people to get upset as I said they did?

So raising on taxes on the rich or making them pay taxes and not flee ofshores is bad?

There is always time to get more revenue. Always.

Time?

Moot · May 23, 2013

Quik said:
My 4th amendment rights.

Really, your 4th amendment rights? Has the FBI seized your private information or searched your house without a warrent?

Henrin · May 23, 2013

Moot said:
Really, your 4th amendment rights? Has the FBI seized your private information or searched your house without a warrent?

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Did you go to the airport recently? It's a pretty fun place.

Henrin · May 23, 2013

TheDemSocialist said:
So raising on taxes on the rich or making them pay taxes and not flee ofshores is bad?

I have already said it is my right to protect my property from anyone out to take it without my consent. The same thing applies to everyone including the rich.

Yes, raising taxes on the rich and not everyone else is bad.

Time?

Nonsense. There is always time for more taxes.

Quik · May 23, 2013

Moot said:
Really, your 4th amendment rights? Has the FBI seized your private information or searched your house without a warrent?

Yes, they have taken everyones information. All communications of any kind.

Anthony60 · May 23, 2013

Henrin said:
Yeah, this coming up when scandals are running around like bratty little children and its not a diversion. Right...

What a coincidence. This scandal ridden president is trying to hide behind whatever he can, and the democrats decide to call in one of the most successfull and repected companies on earth to try and scold them. With all that's going, that's at the top of their list.

As Rand Paul said, Congress owes Apple an apology.

jonny5 · May 23, 2013

specklebang said:
Surely you know that I have no "evidence". Some things are what we call APPARENT. Could I dig up some similar OPINIONS©, sure. I';m not alone in my thoughts. And I can did up opions that Obama is the greatest President in history - would YOU buy that? I didn't think so.

Nothing being discussed here will change the course of history. These ar speculative conversations at best. If you think I am wrong then just say so. Then speculate as to why these bankers were treated so differently than anyone lse might have been. I'm already an adult and familiar with "being unable to prove a negative". Lets leave that train of thought for the religion or philosophy sections.

I did say so.

obvious Child · May 23, 2013

Anthony60 said:
Let's fix you up on this. Apple got away with nothing, they followed the tax laws as written, not over paying, not under paying. They have a duty to the shareholders to not over pay, they could even be sued for not doing what's in the best interests of the people that owne Apple stock.

Let's fix you up on this. Apple effectively purchased tax savings by hiring expensive professionals to engineer no-nexus areas. That is extremely anti-competitive.

Tell me, as a "conservative" how you can advocate the unleveling of the playing field where groups with more money simply buy success? How is that good for the economy?

I'm not sure what you are talking about when you say it is "very anti-free market system". As the CEO said, they paid all the taxes they owed. I wonder if you look at you tax return and decide not to take legal deductions and pay more than you owe?

See above. It's not hard to figure out.

I think we should be concerned that our tax rates for corporations is so high that companies have to take these extreme measures to pay what they owe.

Funny. You think statutory rates matter. US effective Corporate tax rates are some of the lowest. Well, there goes any credibly you had on corporate taxes. Statutory matter. What a joke.

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