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    Re: Senate investigators: Apple sheltered $44 billion from taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Why does any individual have to pay both income and property tax?
    And a sales tax and a tax on alcohol, and a tax on gasoline etc.

    The answer is because government is a beast and its appetite for wealth to spend and redistribute is insatiable.

    what it wants cannot be collected in just one way because the distortative impact in those markerts would be too large. Replace all taxes with an 80% income tax and you have much less work and much more off the books work. You replace everything with a 50% sales tax and you have a massive underground economy and a system without enough domestic consumption. You throw a 60% tax on corporations you have far less investment. And so on.

    But at some point, the real question is do we really need to take that dollar away from the pension fund or the sales clerk to give it to that old person or the doctor caring for that sick person or the large farming conglomorate (who pretend their subsidies accrue to "small farmers" when lobbying). Because unlike free markets, where resources are relatively efficiently used, the waste in public spending, the unjust and unnecessary welath transfers that are routine, are absolutely massive.

    And we all pay for that.

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    Re: Senate investigators: Apple sheltered $44 billion from taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Why does any individual have to pay both income and property tax?
    The better question is how many different forms of taxes do they need?

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    Re: Senate investigators: Apple sheltered $44 billion from taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Yeah cause who the **** needs those evil corporations located in the US employing people, let em move their headquarters!



    Forget shooting yourself in the foot this idea is shooting yourself in the nuts.
    they'll grow back right?

    Right?

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    Re: Senate investigators: Apple sheltered $44 billion from taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Again, I never asked them to provide any services outside of police and courts. I never asked that they do anything towards the internet, electricity, water, welfare, roads, etc. That is all their busy work that I would like it very much if the private sector picked it up completely. As for taxes, I support tariffs, but beyond that I really don't support anything they are doing now.
    It's the contract. You either work within the confines of it, or you revolt against it. Contract. You have unlimited right to it, which means you bear responsibility of it.

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    I'm not submitting if I'm hiding my money.
    Nope, then you're just a criminal sponging off the work of others. I doubt you give up access to all the aggregate technologies and advantages we have because we did have a funded government which could support these things unsupportable by private entity. Hell even the internet was spawned from tax dollars. Cell phones? Yes. Medical tech? Yes. Useless tech? Yes. I will allow you to not pay as many taxes as you want, so long as you reap no benefit of government funding in those areas. You actually willing to put your money where your mouth is?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Senate investigators: Apple sheltered $44 billion from taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The better question is how many different forms of taxes do they need?
    Not many. The tax code has become quite convoluted in order to serve the government's means and to protect corporate interest. Land value tax, consumption tax, may still need a bit of the ol' income tax to make up the difference. But it should be clear, it should be straight forward, and there should be no shelters or anything of the like. We all realize and know what we pay so that we are better informed over such matters when addressing government concerns.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Senate investigators: Apple sheltered $44 billion from taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Excellent excuse to allow criminal behavior without consequences.
    Crimes are committed by people, not the ideas they come up with. There I no reason a person could not be punished for a crime committed as a member of a corporation.

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    Re: Senate investigators: Apple sheltered $44 billion from taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by CJ 2.0 View Post
    And a sales tax and a tax on alcohol, and a tax on gasoline etc.

    The answer is because government is a beast and its appetite for wealth to spend and redistribute is insatiable.
    Oh, this is true. Government loves its power and will hand out to those who recognize its power. That's not really the "poor", wealth redistribution actually favors heavily the excessively rich and the corporate entities which control our government.

    Quote Originally Posted by CJ 2.0 View Post
    what it wants cannot be collected in just one way because the distortative impact in those markerts would be too large. Replace all taxes with an 80% income tax and you have much less work and much more off the books work. You replace everything with a 50% sales tax and you have a massive underground economy and a system without enough domestic consumption. You throw a 60% tax on corporations you have far less investment. And so on.
    Yup, and you have 0% and the government collapses. Fun.

    Quote Originally Posted by CJ 2.0 View Post
    But at some point, the real question is do we really need to take that dollar away from the pension fund or the sales clerk to give it to that old person or the doctor caring for that sick person or the large farming conglomorate (who pretend their subsidies accrue to "small farmers" when lobbying). Because unlike free markets, where resources are relatively efficiently used, the waste in public spending, the unjust and unnecessary welath transfers that are routine, are absolutely massive.

    And we all pay for that.
    What of those is necessary indeed. It's a question I fear too few actually consider.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Senate investigators: Apple sheltered $44 billion from taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's the contract. You either work within the confines of it, or you revolt against it. Contract. You have unlimited right to it, which means you bear responsibility of it.
    What in the hell are you talking about? What contract? I don't remember the social contract involving theft. In fact, I remember it protecting against it. Since what you're talking about has nothing to do with that contract I really have no idea what you are referring.


    Nope, then you're just a criminal sponging off the work of others. I doubt you give up access to all the aggregate technologies and advantages we have because we did have a funded government which could support these things unsupportable by private entity. Hell even the internet was spawned from tax dollars. Cell phones? Yes. Medical tech? Yes. Useless tech? Yes. I will allow you to not pay as many taxes as you want, so long as you reap no benefit of government funding in those areas. You actually willing to put your money where your mouth is?
    Don't dare tell me that the Internet is a creation of the state. They provided the market with something that didn't even boot and the market in turn had to fix their broken **** to make it work. In any event, I don't care what the government came up and to be frank I don't care who came up with it. The Internet is unmanageable in its current state due to how illogical the infrastructure is, which to a large part was put in place by the government without a care in the world how you manage something so illogical. Of course, the market could very well make that same mistake, but I highly doubt it could create the cluster**** the government made.

    I don't need to give up anything just because the government did something and now I have it. That is retarded and logically speaking I would have to give my apple phone or anything the private sector did if I decided tomorrow that I hated whoever made it one day. It is my property and I paid for it, so why in the hell would I give it up?

    I will avoid whatever taxes I can and I have no plans to give up anything in the process.
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    Re: Senate investigators: Apple sheltered $44 billion from taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What in the hell are you talking about? What contract? I don't remember social contract involving theft. In fact, I remember protecting against it. Since what you're talking about has nothing to do with that contract I really have no idea what you are referring.
    The Constitution. It's the contract between We the People and the government. We may resend it at any time, but not just by bitching on the internet. You'll have to do something.


    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Don't dare tell me that the Internet is a creation of the state. They provided the market with something that didn't even boot and the market in turn had to fix their broken **** to make it work. In any event, I don't care what the government came up and to be frank I don't care if who came up with it. The Internet is unmanageable in its current state due to how illogical the infrastructure is which to a large part was put in place by the government without a care in the world how you manage something so illogical. Of course, the market could very well make that same mistake, but I highly doubt it create the cluster**** the government made.

    I don't need to give up anything just because the government did something and now I have it. That is retarded and logically speaking I would have to give my apple phone or anything the private sector did if I decided tomorrow that I hated whoever made it one day. It is my property and I paid for it, so why in the hell would I give it up?

    I will avoid whatever taxes I can and I have no plans to give up anything in the process.
    Ahhh, it makes sense now. You're one of the people who wants free ****.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Senate investigators: Apple sheltered $44 billion from taxes

    We agree but do you see how instead the Corporation paid the fine and the individuals that were facilitating drug crimes were not punished at all.


    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Crimes are committed by people, not the ideas they come up with. There I no reason a person could not be punished for a crime committed as a member of a corporation.

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