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    Re: DOJ tracked movements, phone records of Fox News reporter

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Freedom of the press is unique in that its codified in the constitution and therefore supreme to everything else. THere is no protection of secrets in the constitution.
    Yes, but that freedom still isn't unconditional. A journalist can't break in to the White House and flick through the Presidents files for anything of interest any more than they could break in to your office and do the same (even if you were in the news for some legitimate reason).

    Similarly, journalists can't involve themselves in a criminal conspiracy to get information. If a journalist paid a doctor to get access to your medical records (again, assuming it was news worthy), that journalist would still implicated in that crime.

    Journalists are rightly protected when information that could have been obtained via illegal means is subsiquently brought to them (though even then there are practical limitations) but the claim in this case is that the journalist was somehow involved in the criminal acts obtaining the information and that would cross the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    if they had a judge to sign off no big deal, but I'm glad they found out and reported it. Our media should begin to feel the overbearing nature of govt like the rest of us.
    that...... is an excellent point.

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    Re: DOJ tracked movements, phone records of Fox News reporter

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    You don't think that pursuing a leak of classified information is as high a priority as counterterrorism? Aren't there many possible scenarios where the two go hand-in-hand? If so, shouldn't someone who is okay with the PATRIOT Act be okay with this investigation?
    I dont think that was the purpose of the Patriot Act, which is the comment I was responding to. So no, while people would support uses of the Patriot Act to catch terrorists, they would not support uses of the Patriot act to catch political leaking.

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    Re: DOJ tracked movements, phone records of Fox News reporter

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    Yes, but that freedom still isn't unconditional. A journalist can't break in to the White House and flick through the Presidents files for anything of interest any more than they could break in to your office and do the same (even if you were in the news for some legitimate reason).

    Similarly, journalists can't involve themselves in a criminal conspiracy to get information. If a journalist paid a doctor to get access to your medical records (again, assuming it was news worthy), that journalist would still implicated in that crime.

    Journalists are rightly protected when information that could have been obtained via illegal means is subsiquently brought to them (though even then there are practical limitations) but the claim in this case is that the journalist was somehow involved in the criminal acts obtaining the information and that would cross the line.
    If that were the case, govt could simply make a law as a run around to abridging the freedom of the press. Except that its specifically prohibited by the constitution. And I dont see any conditions written in the first amendment. But, thats what we have courts. Fox should sue the govt.

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    Re: DOJ tracked movements, phone records of Fox News reporter

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Fox isn't really news. So there is that to consider.
    I take your point, but this is not really about which media company was involved, this is about government crimes. Government violation of constitutional principles. Government secrecy, USSR style.

    Obama and Holder are criminals, and that is old news. Their crimes are violation of constitutional principles and their oath of office.

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    Re: DOJ tracked movements, phone records of Fox News reporter

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    If that were the case, govt could simply make a law as a run around to abridging the freedom of the press.
    It is the case and they could (though I don't think they have). Such is the risk of having anyone in a position of authority and why we have checks and balances rather than relying on simple principals alone. No system is perfect though.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Except that its specifically prohibited by the constitution. And I dont see any conditions written in the first amendment.
    Do you really mean that there is no conditions to "freedom of the press"? You're basically saying that all journalists should have immunity from any federal investigation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I take your point, but this is not really about which media company was involved, this is about government crimes. Government violation of constitutional principles. Government secrecy, USSR style.

    Obama and Holder are criminals, and that is old news. Their crimes are violation of constitutional principles and their oath of office.

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    Re: DOJ tracked movements, phone records of Fox News reporter

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    It is the case and they could (though I don't think they have). Such is the risk of having anyone in a position of authority and why we have checks and balances rather than relying on simple principals alone. No system is perfect though.

    Do you really mean that there is no conditions to "freedom of the press"? You're basically saying that all journalists should have immunity from any federal investigation?
    Im repeating what the constitution says. Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of the press. If they make it a crime for the press to pursue information, that is unconstitutional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I'm a supporter of the PA, original and PA Part Deux. I have no problem with it if they got a legal warrant under the FISA requirement for such AND they were targetting the leak (and not the reporter or the news agency). The fellow they exposed should go down (Kim). However, the reporter was doing his constitutionally protected duty.
    So is it OK for the justice department to put in the application for the warrant that the reporter was engaged in a criminal conspiricy? That would mean he was protected by the constitution.

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    Re: DOJ tracked movements, phone records of Fox News reporter

    Sharyl Attkisson's computers compromised - POLITICO.com

    Sharyl Attkisson, the Emmy-award winning CBS News investigative reporter, says that her personal and work computers have been compromised and are under investigation.

    "I can confirm that an intrusion of my computers has been under some investigation on my end for some months but I'm not prepared to make an allegation against a specific entity today as I've been patient and methodical about this matter," Attkisson told POLITICO on Tuesday. "I need to check with my attorney and CBS to get their recommendations on info we make public."

    (PHOTOS: Politicians and their iToys)

    In an earlier interview with WPHT Philadelphia, Attkisson said that though she did not know the full details of the intrustion, "there could be some relationship between these things and what's happened to James [Rosen]," the Fox News reporter who became the subject of a Justice Dept. investigation after reporting on CIA intelligence about North Korea in 2009.

    On Sunday, The Washington Post reported that the Justice Dept. had searched Rosen's personal e-mails and tracked his visits to the State Dept. The court affadavit described Rosen as “at the very least, either as an aider, abettor and/or co-conspirator" of his government source, presumably because he had solicited classified information from that source -- an argument that has been heavily criticized by other journalists.

    (WATCH: Jay Carney on freedom of press)

    Attkisson told WPHT that irregular activity on her computer was first identified in Feb. 2011, when she was reporting on the Fast and Furious gun-walking scandal and on the Obama administration's green energy spending, which she said "the administration was very sensitive about." Attkisson has also been a persistent investigator of the events surrounding last year's attack in Benghazi, and its aftermath.
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