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    Re: Scandal 4: EPA Targets Conservative Groups

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    My revelation: Who knew Conservatives had environmental groups?
    you just revealed how phony your sign on and supposed lean are.

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    Re: Scandal 4: EPA Targets Conservative Groups

    So the EPA isn't targeting but defending itself? Sounds more credible.
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    Re: Scandal 4: EPA Targets Conservative Groups

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    Re: Scandal 4: EPA Targets Conservative Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    In conservative speak, conservation means sell to the highest bidder.

    The OP proves what most progressive know: the attack on the IRS is just part of a bigger smear campaign the GOP has against all government agencies that prevent the rich from running roughshod over the rest of America. So they make stuff up. It's what conservatives do.

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    Re: Scandal 4: EPA Targets Conservative Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    In conservative speak, conservation means sell to the highest bidder.

    The OP proves what most progressive know: the attack on the IRS is just part of a bigger smear campaign the GOP has against all government agencies that prevent the rich from running roughshod over the rest of America. So they make stuff up. It's what conservatives do.
    Speaking of making stuff up.

    Your last two sentences do a fine job of it!!

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    Re: Scandal 4: EPA Targets Conservative Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Missing the point? You brought up exceptions to the FOIA. Completely irrelevant. Certain types of documents are not covered by the FOIA and will not be given out on request. What happened here is not that.

    Is there some other point I was supposed to glean from your one sentence post?

    The playing field is the same as before. If conservative groups are unable to meet the criteria for a fee waiver, they don't get a fee waiver. The group that conducted the survey made a bunch of FOIA requests... for the purposes of conducting a public survey. They didn't have actual need or desire for the information, they weren't planning on making the data available to the public. They don't get a fee waiver for that.

    The other groups? What information did they request, and what did they want it for?

    It's not enough to say "this group was denied the waiver more than others." Why they were denied is important.
    It does appear that the reason why these fees were not waived is because the groups requesting information were "conservative", and not related to the nine exceptions or the six criteria the EPA publishes. That would explain why these requests are now under investigation as well as the criteria employed by the EPA in evaluating these requests. Offering a policy statement proves nothing other than the existence of a policy. Discrimination, as we have found over the decades, is wholly dependent on the intent of those charged with implementing policies and following legislative guidelines. If that were not true, then Blacks in this country would have had all their rights a very long time ago. Women in the Obama administration would be receiving equal pay for equal work. Groups would not be identified and labeled by an agency such as the EPA. That kind of thing.

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    Re: Scandal 4: EPA Targets Conservative Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The EPA waives FOIA fees for groups that have a legitimate, identified purpose for gathering the information requested. One criteria is that it must show some sort of goal of improving public knowledge.

    A group making these FOIA requests for the purpose of checking on the FOIA process at the EPA? Doesn't meet this criteria.

    Conservative groups making redundant, overreaching, malicious FOIA requests for the purpose of slowing down actual work? Also doesn't meet this criteria.
    the chances that you are actually privy to any facts is 0%.

    Yet you are in this thread ruling out any chance of impropriety.

    these facts are not yet transparent, but you sure are.

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    Re: Scandal 4: EPA Targets Conservative Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    In conservative speak, conservation means sell to the highest bidder.

    The OP proves what most progressive know: the attack on the IRS is just part of a bigger smear campaign the GOP has against all government agencies that prevent the rich from running roughshod over the rest of America. So they make stuff up. It's what conservatives do.
    Yeah that is just even so far detached from reality that it surprises me that even you would say it. Avid hunters and fishermen are conservationist for the most part--they just think in terms of cleaning plastic bottles and tires out of streams and woods as opposed to parts per million of CO2.

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    Re: Scandal 4: EPA Targets Conservative Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The EPA waives FOIA fees for groups that have a legitimate, identified purpose for gathering the information requested. One criteria is that it must show some sort of goal of improving public knowledge.

    A group making these FOIA requests for the purpose of checking on the FOIA process at the EPA? Doesn't meet this criteria.

    Conservative groups making redundant, overreaching, malicious FOIA requests for the purpose of slowing down actual work? Also doesn't meet this criteria.
    FOIA requests, like everything else, must be administered without bias. Bureaucrats don't get to make political judgements.

    The idea that conservative FOIA requests are somehow oppressive or excessive has long been debunked.

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    Re: Scandal 4: EPA Targets Conservative Groups

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    It does appear that the reason why these fees were not waived is because the groups requesting information were "conservative", and not related to the nine exceptions or the six criteria the EPA publishes. That would explain why these requests are now under investigation as well as the criteria employed by the EPA in evaluating these requests. Offering a policy statement proves nothing other than the existence of a policy. Discrimination, as we have found over the decades, is wholly dependent on the intent of those charged with implementing policies and following legislative guidelines. If that were not true, then Blacks in this country would have had all their rights a very long time ago. Women in the Obama administration would be receiving equal pay for equal work. Groups would not be identified and labeled by an agency such as the EPA. That kind of thing.
    Sigh. You still don't even know what happened here. Those nine criteria are NOT RELEVANT TO THIS CASE. Those are criteria for denying an FOIA case entirely. I'll put this in bold for you.

    The FOIA requests from conservative groups were not denied.

    Requests to waive the fee were denied.

    And you have no evidence regarding the reason these denials occurred. It doesn't "appear" that way. You are perceiving it that way. It's interesting that you make these declarations despite not even knowing the basic facts of the situation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    the chances that you are actually privy to any facts is 0%.

    Yet you are in this thread ruling out any chance of impropriety.

    these facts are not yet transparent, but you sure are.
    Precisely. I am privy to no facts. And neither are you. Or the guy quoted above, who UNLIKE ME, actually HAS "ruled out" a chance of innocence. I didn't rule out anything.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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