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    Bret Easton Ellis attacks 'culturally correct gay elite'

    Bret Easton Ellis attacks 'culturally correct gay elite' - latimes.com

    The Out rant, titled "In the Reign of the Gay Magical Elves," was prompted in part by the media response to the recent coming out of basketball player Jason Collins, whom Ellis writes is being treated "as some kind of baby panda who needs to be honored and consoled and -- yes -- infantilized."

    Ellis goes on to criticize "gay self-patronization in the media," which in his opinion celebrates "the Gay Man as Magical Elf, who whenever he comes out appears before us as some kind of saintly E.T. whose sole purpose is to be put in the position of reminding us only about Tolerance."

    At fault, according to Ellis, are organizations that marginalize the gay man "who doesn't want to represent, doesn't want to teach" and who "makes crude jokes about other gays in the media (as straight dudes do of each other constantly)." This, Ellis writes, amounts to "corporate PC fascism."
    Here is a gay man that absolutely gets it.

    I can't agree with him more, that "being gay" is treated as some sort of achievement worthy of adulation and reward, and that it comes with some inherent responsibility to promote and normalize the gay lifestyle. I'd bet a lot of gay people agree with him.

    The gay "in" community judges its own more harshly than outsiders it seems. It's like a cult.

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    Re: Bret Easton Ellis attacks 'culturally correct gay elite'

    Well i think he and Gus Van Sant sort of have cornered the counter-culture anyway and just see gays as part of that so I am not surprised by his positions

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    Re: Bret Easton Ellis attacks 'culturally correct gay elite'

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    I can't agree with him more, that "being gay" is treated as some sort of achievement worthy of adulation and reward....
    You preferred it when being outed would cost you your job, your friendships, get you ostracized, and beaten up on a regular basis?

    The achievement, by the way, isn't "being gay." It is having the balls to admit that you are gay, in public, in an über-macho environment and a society that is still violently hostile to homosexuals. Even in Manhattan, which is generally very tolerant, gay-bashing still happens: Manhattan Gay Bashing Suspect's Lawyer Says Client Was "Wrong Place At The Wrong Time": Gothamist

    Besides, this kind of thing won't matter for long. As homosexuality becomes normalized, the media will pay less and less attention to celebrities who come out. E.g. no one really batted an eye when Zach Quinto or Jim Parsons came out.


    The gay "in" community judges its own more harshly than outsiders it seems. It's like a cult.
    Nah, it's just an insular community that has been attacked for a few hundred years, and developed a community mentality about 40 years ago.

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    Re: Bret Easton Ellis attacks 'culturally correct gay elite'

    When I lived in NYC in the late 50s, it was illegal to serve alcohol to a homosexual.

    I've seen this sign with my own two eyes.
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    and this:
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    So it shouldn't be so surprising that we have visibility of the changes that are going on. It takes our inherent bigotry and xenophobias a while to adapt to vague concepts like equality or freedom of choice. In another 50 years, nobody will care much anymore.

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    You preferred it when being outed would cost you your job, your friendships, get you ostracized, and beaten up on a regular basis?

    The achievement, by the way, isn't "being gay." It is having the balls to admit that you are gay, in public, in an über-macho environment and a society that is still violently hostile to homosexuals. Even in Manhattan, which is generally very tolerant, gay-bashing still happens: Manhattan Gay Bashing Suspect's Lawyer Says Client Was "Wrong Place At The Wrong Time": Gothamist

    Besides, this kind of thing won't matter for long. As homosexuality becomes normalized, the media will pay less and less attention to celebrities who come out. E.g. no one really batted an eye when Zach Quinto or Jim Parsons came out.



    Nah, it's just an insular community that has been attacked for a few hundred years, and developed a community mentality about 40 years ago.

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    Re: Bret Easton Ellis attacks 'culturally correct gay elite'

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    You preferred it when being outed would cost you your job, your friendships, get you ostracized, and beaten up on a regular basis?

    The achievement, by the way, isn't "being gay." It is having the balls to admit that you are gay, in public, in an über-macho environment and a society that is still violently hostile to homosexuals. Even in Manhattan, which is generally very tolerant, gay-bashing still happens: Manhattan Gay Bashing Suspect's Lawyer Says Client Was "Wrong Place At The Wrong Time": Gothamist

    Besides, this kind of thing won't matter for long. As homosexuality becomes normalized, the media will pay less and less attention to celebrities who come out. E.g. no one really batted an eye when Zach Quinto or Jim Parsons came out.



    Nah, it's just an insular community that has been attacked for a few hundred years, and developed a community mentality about 40 years ago.
    Spock is gay? The reason nobody batted an eye when Jim Parsons came out was because it was pretty effing obvious for all the years before he came out.

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    Re: Bret Easton Ellis attacks 'culturally correct gay elite'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Spock is gay? The reason nobody batted an eye when Jim Parsons came out was because it was pretty effing obvious for all the years before he came out.
    Yes, he is. Well, the actor is, maybe not the character.


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    Re: Bret Easton Ellis attacks 'culturally correct gay elite'

    No, this is a gay man who is wildly missing the point.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Bret Easton Ellis attacks 'culturally correct gay elite'

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No, this is a gay man who is wildly missing the point.
    No, this is a gay man who doesn't think his sexual practices deserve a weekday talk show audience to provide his daily affirmation.

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    Re: Bret Easton Ellis attacks 'culturally correct gay elite'

    Meh, in the current culture and environment, don't necessarily think much praise is truly due for "coming out." 20 years ago, sure, not today.

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    Re: Bret Easton Ellis attacks 'culturally correct gay elite'

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    No, this is a gay man who doesn't think his sexual practices deserve a weekday talk show audience to provide his daily affirmation.
    Then again, he works in a field where nobody cares if he's gay. Gay writers are a dime a dozen. Capote, Elliot, Lima, O'Hara.
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