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    Re: Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion

    [QUOTE=Tigger;Yes, the INDIVIDUALS did it. The Government did not. It's unlikely some leader came around and took 3 berries from each member of the tribe (by force if necesary) to ensure that Gimpy could eat every day. THAT is the difference.[/QUOTE]

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    Re: Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ability to pay into social services should be factored into how much you pay. Not all things are equal.
    At the risk of repeating myself:

    A well working society can't have 47% of it's population shielded from federal income taxes.

    Should ability to pay into social services factor into how much one can participate in the decisions that provide them?

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    Re: Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion

    a) It is true. You are looking only at the insurance premiums the medical industry pays for mal practice insurance - which by the way you should look at the difference between some states.

    b) The "sex change" issue is just a symptom not the focus. It is just one of many requirements that California, not all states, requires insurance companies to cover in the most basic health insurance package. There are countless other "procedures" they deem "necessary' and must be covered. It generally works like this - a group of doctors, an association of professionals, etc all get together, buy off a legislator, and next thing you know their little procedure is included in every one' insurance. Take this politics and government out the equation; let insurance companies offer what they want, and the prices will drop like lead in water.


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    This is not true. So not true I am not sure I want to go thru it. As I explained on another thread recently legal concerns are less than 1% (way less) and I dont think there are enough sex change operations to cause us to have the most expenseive healthcare in the world.

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    Re: Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion

    Of course insurers predict a huge price jump. They're the ones who set the prices! And no matter the cost of healthcare, they will not let their profits go down. So you have to pay more so they can stay rich. Health is too important to leave to predatory capitalists.
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    Re: Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    We neeed to have UHC. We already have the most expensive healthcare in the world. The system we have now is proven not to work. 17 of the nations largest insurance companies should have worried about this long ago.
    But you don't fix the problem by making it worse, you fix the problem by fixing the problem. Obamacare does not fix the problem.
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    Re: Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion

    What makes you think it would be worse? There is a whole world (literally) of evidence indicating UHC is a better system. Oh ok but Obamacare is a start.
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    But you don't fix the problem by making it worse, you fix the problem by fixing the problem. Obamacare does not fix the problem.
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    Re: Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    What makes you think it would be worse? There is a whole world (literally) of evidence indicating UHC is a better system. Oh ok but Obamacare is a start.
    There is a whole world out there going bankrupt over UHC and other bad financial decisions. Just because you want a thing doesn't mean you deserve it, especially when nearly half of Americans aren't paying into the system at all. That's just not a sound financial idea, it's based purely on emotion.
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    Re: Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion

    we have the most expensive healthcare in the world and they are going bankrupt. Think about that.[QUOTE. ephus;1061812208]There is a whole world out there going bankrupt over UHC and other bad financial decisions. Just because you want a thing doesn't mean you deserve it, especially when nearly half of Americans aren't paying into the system at all. That's just not a sound financial idea, it's based purely on emotion.[/QUOTE]
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    Re: Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    we have the most expensive healthcare in the world and they are going bankrupt. Think about that.
    But Obamacare doesn't actually fix any of the problems, it just gives the end product away for free to anyone who wants it! There are lots of reasons it's so expensive, most of it in the insurance industry and our absurdly litigious society. How does Obamacare handle those two problems? It doesn't! It just ignores them, driving costs up even higher and pushing the whole system into bankruptcy even faster.

    There are massive, major problems in healthcare in this country, but no politician is going to address them because they all get tons of money from the medical industry. Obama has just made it all worse.
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    Re: Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Of course insurers predict a huge price jump. They're the ones who set the prices! And no matter the cost of healthcare, they will not let their profits go down. So you have to pay more so they can stay rich. Health is too important to leave to predatory capitalists.
    In otherwords, costs are going up, and you're upset that the insurers aren't biting the bullet.

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