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    Re: Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion

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    If you owned an insurance company and a bill like ObamaCare passed, one that is generally not well understood by most, wouldn't you contribute any price increases to that bill? What if you had been steady increasing prices well beyond inflation for decades prior? yea, you'd still blame it on that bill. It's an easy scapegoat. I'm not saying that's impossible that it will cost some prices to go up, but at the very least if you're going to act like a train wreck is coming down the tubes, you could provide us with a less partisan source than the actual insurance companies. Guess what my cable company says every single time that my bill goes up, without fail. They say it's to blame on the channels and they're effort to increase their profits. If I listened to them and only them, they hadn't increased prices in order to increase profits or because they're payroll got larger, or because the CEO needed more salary since the beginning of the company. Every single extra dollar goes straight to the channels they provide. I don't quite believe that, and I don't quite believe the insurance companies blaming all price increases on obama care.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion

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    I agree that a public option would have been the best safe gaurd, but they did put in place that a certain percentage of money taken in by insurance companies must go towards payments on medical care, I want to say 80 or 85%. So they can't jack up prices greatly without also increasing payouts.
    True, but the absolute value of money taken in will scale with pricing, so making sure they spend X% on medical bills is only more incentive to jack prices. And without free market checks and balances, there's not much anyone can do about it.
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    Re: Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion

    When was there a free market in healthcare?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    True, but the absolute value of money taken in will scale with pricing, so making sure they spend X% on medical bills is only more incentive to jack prices. And without free market checks and balances, there's not much anyone can do about it.
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    Re: Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This would be agreeable if there weren't a myriad of other taxes 47% of the population pays. Even a family living on $15K a year isn't immune to taxation.
    And which a majority gets back, and then some, in the EIC and various other assistance programs. Net negative taxes paid.
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    Re: Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    And which a majority gets back, and then some, in the EIC and various other assistance programs. Net negative taxes paid.
    I'm alright with a family living on less than 1/10th of my salary to get most of it back.
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    Re: Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion

    Despite your tough guy talk, I expect you will sign up for Medicare starting before your 65th birthday.

    When I was young, I swore I would never take anything from the Government. I went my whole life without using unemployment. I paid my own medical bills until I was in my late 40s and then only because I got a group plan for my employees.

    I took Medicare the moment I turned 65 and SS the moment I turned 67. So will you. Once you realize you are the only Authoritarian on DP and are irreplaceable, you will change your mind for the greater good, if not for yourself.

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    I didn't say this system worked. I am one of those few who says "if you can't pay for it, and/or you can't find help privately, and/or you don't have insurance through your employer..... TOO BAD, SO SAD, SO SORRY. BYE BYE."

    To that end, after age 65, I will not likely have any healthcare services. Once I retire, I'll likely be dead in 2-3 years because of it.

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    Re: Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    True, but the absolute value of money taken in will scale with pricing, so making sure they spend X% on medical bills is only more incentive to jack prices. And without free market checks and balances, there's not much anyone can do about it.
    Yes, I get what you're saying. I also think that the exchanges will help a bit too. When you are able to go to a website, put in some basic info, and then it shows you health insurance quotes from ten different companies, all of them based on similar plans that meet standards laid out in obama care, you're going to see them price cutting more so in order to get under other competitors. The easier we make it to shop around prices, the more competition we create, and that's exactly what the exchanges do. So with that, and the required payout towards medical expenses, I don't see a huge explosion of prices. Granted I think One payer or a public option would be superior in price control.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Because that's what animals do.
    C'mon, give it just a minute's thought, huh?
    I did and I think the answer is in the word, 'surplus'.

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    Re: Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'm alright with a family living on less than 1/10th of my salary to get most of it back.
    What part of Net negative taxes was less than clear?
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    Re: Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The legislation isn't increasing prices. Business is. It's a typical bully response from big business.
    So you are suggesting that businesses should reduce their profits because the Government now forces them to provide more health insurance than before?


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    Got a minute? I wanna tell you a story.
    There's a pit- in France, I think- that's a trove of Neanderthal bones. The presumption is they'd toss the bodies of their dead down into it; males, females, young, it's like a long-term mass grave. One of the skeletons was a grown man who'd suffered terrible injuries- one arm was amputated below the elbow, a wrecked hip, lower jaw screwed up, bad stuff. Thing is, all those injuries had healed well before he died. See what that means? The tribe or clan or whatever had nurtured this individual- fed him, helped him move with them, kept him safe and warm. They had no surplus, lived hand-to-mouth, but found a way to care for one of their own.
    Any reason why a wealthy modern society shouldn't care for it's sick and injured?
    Yes, the INDIVIDUALS did it. The Government did not. It's unlikely some leader came around and took 3 berries from each member of the tribe (by force if necesary) to ensure that Gimpy could eat every day. THAT is the difference.

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