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    Re: Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion

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    The insurance companies were just guaranteed near 100% consumerism through law with no oversight or public option. You best bet your bottom dollar that they're going to jack rates. This sort of price fixing is common in closed economic systems.
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    Re: Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    A well working society can't have 47% of it's population shielded from federal income taxes either, but that doesn't seem to bother many people.
    Why not? There's always payroll taxes, sales taxes, gas taxes, vehicle registration taxes....
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    Re: Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    A well working society can't have 20% of its population unable to afford healthcare anymore than it can have 15% of its population unemployed.
    Please show me a well-working society and then we can start to discuss this. Unfortunately, I can't find one anywhere on this planet, so I get the feeling this will be a short conversation.

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    There is no "right" to healthcare. We dont provide healthcare to eachother because it is a right, we do it because we are civilized and refuse to allow someone to die without healthcare when it could be provided. The problem now is we provide that care, but in the least efficent means possible. I have never argued healthcare was a right, it isnt.
    Okay. That's fine. At least we have that as a starting point for a conversation.... Since it isn't a right, then it is not the duty or responsibility of the Government to provide it or protect access to it. Therefore, and with the understanding that there is nothing in the US Constitution prescribing any power of the Federal Government in relation to medicine, medical services, or healthcare I'm not sure what leg this new law has to stand on.

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    Re: Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion

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    Please show me a well-working society and then we can start to discuss this. Unfortunately, I can't find one anywhere on this planet, so I get the feeling this will be a short conversation.



    Okay. That's fine. At least we have that as a starting point for a conversation.... Since it isn't a right, then it is not the duty or responsibility of the Government to provide it or protect access to it. Therefore, and with the understanding that there is nothing in the US Constitution prescribing any power of the Federal Government in relation to medicine, medical services, or healthcare I'm not sure what leg this new law has to stand on.
    Under our current system our healthcare is the most expensive in the world. it is set up to make a profit, at all levels. As a society we will not allow ourselves to beleive we are not willing to provide medical care for poor people, few of us would be able to live with that. Unless we are willing to literally let people die without medical care (a pure pay for service) we have to have UHC. Our current system has proven not to work and we have poured money in it since the 1940's. I am not aware of any other options.
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    Re: Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    This is not true. So not true I am not sure I want to go thru it. As I explained on another thread recently legal concerns are less than 1% (way less) and I dont think there are enough sex change operations to cause us to have the most expenseive healthcare in the world.
    Nobody cares what healthcare costs because so few people pay for it directly. Most employer-provided policies have a fairly low deductible...employees don't even know what it costs because they don't have to pay income tax on the premiums their employers pay on their behalf and employers don't tell them.

    Hospitals and doctors rarely publish their rates so consumers can't comparison shop. And when they do?? Those aren't hard and fast as charged to insurance companies. They're much higher than what insurance companies pay.

    Normal market forces aren't in play with healthcare. Healthcare will continue to rise exponentially until either the government steps in to control it or deductibles are higher. As long as Medicaid and Medicare patients continue to use emergency rooms for sore throats? Our healthcare costs are going to rise and our quality of service is going to fall. That's just a fact of life.
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    Re: Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Under our current system our healthcare is the most expensive in the world. it is set up to make a profit, at all levels. As a society we will not allow ourselves to beleive we are not willing to provide medical care for poor people, few of us would be able to live with that. Unless we are willing to literally let people die without medical care (a pure pay for service) we have to have UHC. Our current system has proven not to work and we have poured money in it since the 1940's. I am not aware of any other options.
    I didn't say this system worked. I am one of those few who says "if you can't pay for it, and/or you can't find help privately, and/or you don't have insurance through your employer..... TOO BAD, SO SAD, SO SORRY. BYE BYE."

    To that end, after age 65, I will not likely have any healthcare services. Once I retire, I'll likely be dead in 2-3 years because of it.

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    Re: Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Why not? There's always payroll taxes, sales taxes, gas taxes, vehicle registration taxes....
    Of course, pat answers don't excuse shielding almost half the working population from federal income taxes.

    The problem becomes the staggering hypocricy of damning the rich, while demanding they stay rich, and get richer.

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    Re: Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Please show me a well-working society and then we can start to discuss this. Unfortunately, I can't find one anywhere on this planet, so I get the feeling this will be a short conversation.
    That's kind of the point, we won't become a well working society until everyone has access to affordable healthcare. Then again, well working is subjective. I find Canada, Japan and Iceland are pretty good examples of a well working societies. Little crime, few morality issues getting in the way, live and let live etc. But as I said, a well working society can't have 20% of its members being unable to afford healthcare or too scared to go to a doctor because they'll end up with thousands in medical bills.
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    Re: Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That's kind of the point, we won't become a well working society until everyone has access to affordable healthcare.
    Thankfully, that will never happen in this country.

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    Re: Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    A well working society can't have 47% of it's population shielded from federal income taxes either, but that doesn't seem to bother many people.
    This would be agreeable if there weren't a myriad of other taxes 47% of the population pays. Even a family living on $15K a year isn't immune to taxation.
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