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    Re: Watergate Reporter: DOJ Phone Records Scandal a "Nuclear Event"......

    When Bush was pres the libs said he set the tone and that's why things like abu ghrabi happened. That was in no way Bush's fault but these recent scandals that involve the IRS and spying on the media are definitely on obama's door step.

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    Re: Watergate Reporter: DOJ Phone Records Scandal a "Nuclear Event"......

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    Sure, but there are millions of people in the executive branch. I guarantee you every single day of every single administration there are unlawful things happening. You can't really hold a POTUS responsible for every instance. You have to draw a line somewhere. Though I am comfortable holding a President responsible for the actions of his Cabinet officials. But LEGALLY it is tough unless you can prove direct knowledge.
    You seem to be forgetting the standard set by Harry Truman. The buck stops there, in the oval office.

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    Re: Watergate Reporter: DOJ Phone Records Scandal a "Nuclear Event"......

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If this was what Holder says it was, a way to find who was leaking highly classified information that would be detrimental to the security of our nation, then you check the phone records of the limited number of people who knew about it. You don't intimidate the AP and reveal all of their confidential sources. I don't think the American people really understand what's being done here.

    This action has effectively chilled those who would contact reporters with inside information...secret or otherwise.

    If our press gets intimidated and controlled by the government, we're screwed.
    Hiya Maggie ......you hit the nail on the Head. Plus I think someone needs to hit Team Obama up on tapping the Houses Phones. I doubt the leak was coming from the House when they know it is coming out of the WH.

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said on Tuesday he did not make the controversial decision to secretly seize telephone records of the Associated Press but defended his department's actions in the investigation of what he called a "very, very serious leak."

    The decision to seek phone records of one of the world's largest news-gathering organizations was made by Deputy Attorney General Jim Cole, Holder said.

    Holder, speaking at a press conference, said he recused himself from the matter to avoid a potential conflict of interest because he was interviewed by the FBI as part of the same leak investigation that targeted the AP records.

    That seizure, denounced by critics as a gross intrusion into freedom of the press, has created an uproar in Washington and led to questions over how the Obama administration is balancing the need for national security with privacy rights.

    Combined with a separate furor over the Internal Revenue Service's targeting of conservative political groups for extra scrutiny, it also is stoking fears of excessive government intrusion under President Barack Obama.

    The Obama administration has been aggressive in combating national security leaks, conducting at least a half-dozen prosecutions - more than under all other previous presidents combined, according to tallies by multiple news organizations.

    "But I think people believed that Obama was more committed to civil liberties so it's actually more shocking that he did it rather that someone like (George W.) Bush and (Richard) Nixon because people had higher expectations of him," he said.....snip~

    http://news.yahoo.com/associated-pre...001433899.html

    Note: Had higher expectations. Now the Rinse cycle has begun.

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    Re: Watergate Reporter: DOJ Phone Records Scandal a "Nuclear Event"......

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    You seem to be forgetting the standard set by Harry Truman. The buck stops there, in the oval office.
    It is a catchy saying, but in practice it rarely seems to play out that way.

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    Re: Watergate Reporter: DOJ Phone Records Scandal a "Nuclear Event"......

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    It is a catchy saying, but in practice it rarely seems to play out that way.
    Sadly, too true! The US has not had a quality leader in the WH since....?

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    Re: Watergate Reporter: DOJ Phone Records Scandal a "Nuclear Event"......

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Sadly, too true! The US has not had a quality leader in the WH since....?
    Mornin HD .....I would have to go with Eisenhower.

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    Re: Watergate Reporter: DOJ Phone Records Scandal a "Nuclear Event"......

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Obama better get his ass in gear on this, or he'll be remember as the anti-1st and 2nd Amendment president. Frankly I'm tired of the man's arrogance. He seems to really believe that messiah crap. "I won the election, do as I say", gun control, Obamacare, increased taxes.......this guy is becoming a jerk who thinks we work for him. He appears to think his social justice agenda is more important than the country. So if you disagree, he'll try to shut you up. The MSM should pummel his ass, but they won't.
    I remember the same thing being said of Bush in his second half of his Presidency. Our last two Presidents (Bush and Obama) are quite literally the same in a alot of respects. Both have instituted programs which have eroded away our Rights and both have the idea that since they are in their last term that they can do anything that they want and screw everyone else. Both have made lame excuses for the things that they have done...including the "I didn't know" mantra. IMO they should both be prosecuted and sent to prison for various violations of our Constitution....along with several members of our legislative branch if at all possible. Of course none of that will happen so its nothing more than a pipe dream.
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    Re: Watergate Reporter: DOJ Phone Records Scandal a "Nuclear Event"......

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin HD .....I would have to go with Eisenhower.
    I would have to agree my friend.

    I was just a kid when he was in office, but history has been kind to him.

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    Re: Watergate Reporter: DOJ Phone Records Scandal a "Nuclear Event"......

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    Sure, but there are millions of people in the executive branch. I guarantee you every single day of every single administration there are unlawful things happening. You can't really hold a POTUS responsible for every instance. You have to draw a line somewhere. Though I am comfortable holding a President responsible for the actions of his Cabinet officials. But LEGALLY it is tough unless you can prove direct knowledge.
    Your Numbers do not add up!
    Treasury Bulletin numbers show the Executive Branch costs $405 million per year.
    Assuming anyone working in the Executive Branch makes at least $80 K per year,
    They have to have less than 5,062 people.

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    Re: Watergate Reporter: DOJ Phone Records Scandal a "Nuclear Event"......

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    This action has effectively chilled those who would contact reporters with inside information...secret or otherwise.
    Exactly. The simple facts of the case are that a handful of AP reporters learned of a classified operation "in the week prior" to publishing a story, and in response the DOJ subpoenas two months of phone records for 100+ reporters. In some cases their home phones. This is not just about getting to the bottom of the leak, it's about trying to send the AP a message.

    Now it's our turn to send the DOJ a message.

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