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    Re: Drunk ASU student left at hospital with Post-it note

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I would hope these people could be charged with something. If they were present when he was drinking that much, they are assisting suicide. Must've changed their minds.

    This "shots" business?? Ridiculous. Absolutely abominable.
    Right here we see the reason people are afraid to help. Assisted suicide charges, are you serious with that? The worst charges that should be applied for this particular part of the crime are associated with providing alcohol to a minor. Anything above that is vindictive use of the law and contributes to behavior like this. For instance, let us say i am at the party and i see the drunk kid and he needs medical help. I am sober so i have a choice. i can drive him to the hospital where some nanny state jerk is going to say charge me with assisted suicide and I spend money and time fighting bogus charges, or I do not bother getting involved or do something like this because he is wasted and cannot identify me. Well, i am not taking a chance because I know people are going to blow this way out of proportion and will end up going after anyone they can because they cannot just recognize this kid did this to himself. You encourage this, and if they are drunk it is even worse because drunk people make worse choices due to amplified fear and lower inhibitions. You do not scare the hell out of the people you want to do the right thing by threatening them with overblown charges like assisted suicide. Leave that insanity for bloomberg and the health nanny crowd.

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    Re: Drunk ASU student left at hospital with Post-it note

    So you aren't going to help somebody in need of medical assistance so that you can avoid trouble for yourself.

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    Re: Drunk ASU student left at hospital with Post-it note

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    So you aren't going to help somebody in need of medical assistance so that you can avoid trouble for yourself.
    Yes, an idioot who drank himself into that state and I am not responsible will at best get an anonymous call to 911 from a payphone if I can find a payphone. I am not dealing with being the fall guy for some idiot because nanny's need someone to blame to make themselves feel better. I certainly do not need to fight off lawsuits from his family after I help his ass. I would not have even given him a ride to the hospital since I know some have cameras there. That post it note thing was pure stupidity as they probably have the people on tape and a recording of the car's license plate. They will not have to go far to bust those kids. The rest of their lives are screwed because some 19 year old drank himself stupid at a party and they decided to help him.

    if you were only going after the people who served him the alcohol and let him drink i could see that. But to go after the kids who dropped him off at emergency is downright wrong. If they happen to be some of the same people then bust them for the actual crime and not for trying to help him by bringing him to emergency room. I don't blame people for not getting involved at all when it is clear there are people out there who would hang them for making the mistake of becoming involved. It is easier to walk away and to avoid all the problems that come with helping. If i am at that party and I see that guy I just leave and my life goes on pretty much the same. I don't have to explain myself to the cops, pay bail, find a lawyer, go to court, perhaps get convicted of assisted suicide, and save myself a ton of time and money because I made the mistake of helping an idiot. That is not mentioning probably getting expelled from school because they can prove I was at a party with underage drinking.

    Next time remember what this world does to good samaritans. You would have to be an idiot to help someone in a world that allows people to get their vengeance on the person who helps them. Feel free to be as you like, I will just go on with life.

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    Re: Drunk ASU student left at hospital with Post-it note

    God bless the idiots.

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    Re: Drunk ASU student left at hospital with Post-it note

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    God bless the idiots.
    In other words no one is willing to help them which is why you should avoid being them because they often get hurt for their actions.

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    Re: Drunk ASU student left at hospital with Post-it note

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The guy that supplied the alcohol should be charged.
    Why? He is an adult and if he wants to drink himself to death that is his right. So what if someone provided him alcohol? It's not as if they force him to drink until he almost died.

    He is a dumbass and like all dumbasses they pay for it sooner or later.

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    Re: Drunk ASU student left at hospital with Post-it note

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Right here we see the reason people are afraid to help. Assisted suicide charges, are you serious with that? The worst charges that should be applied for this particular part of the crime are associated with providing alcohol to a minor. Anything above that is vindictive use of the law and contributes to behavior like this. For instance, let us say i am at the party and i see the drunk kid and he needs medical help. I am sober so i have a choice. i can drive him to the hospital where some nanny state jerk is going to say charge me with assisted suicide and I spend money and time fighting bogus charges, or I do not bother getting involved or do something like this because he is wasted and cannot identify me. Well, i am not taking a chance because I know people are going to blow this way out of proportion and will end up going after anyone they can because they cannot just recognize this kid did this to himself. You encourage this, and if they are drunk it is even worse because drunk people make worse choices due to amplified fear and lower inhibitions. You do not scare the hell out of the people you want to do the right thing by threatening them with overblown charges like assisted suicide. Leave that insanity for bloomberg and the health nanny crowd.
    The "they" I was referring to is the "they" that were at the party and helped get him so drunk he should be dead. My point was these people -- you know, the ones who think it's hilarious to watch (and help) a guy to kill himself -- should have their lives made miserable so they no longer think it's a hoot to pour beer or bourbon down a guy's throat until he pukes. The "they" I was referring to is the "they" that gave minors a place to party and get wasted, then climb into their cars and attempt to drive home. The "they" I was referring to is the "they" that supplied liquor to a minor and shouted "Whoot!! Whoot!! Whoot!!" while someone kept refilling this guy's glass until he was unconscious. Long before this kid's BAC reached .47!!!!!! he was incapable of serving himself.

    Twenty shots in a drinking competition. Every one of their parents ought to be informed. This is disgusting behavior. It is dangerous. It is like playing Russian Roulette. There should be real consequences for people who stand by and watch this happen. Real consequences for adults that permit it.

    Never did I say anyone should be charged for assisting a suicide. But that's exactly what they did.
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    Drunk ASU student left at hospital with Post-it note

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    So you aren't going to help somebody in need of medical assistance so that you can avoid trouble for yourself.
    One think not considered are that the kids buddies were probably also highly intoxicated (and probably underage).

    Dropping the kid off and writing the post it note may have seemed like a great idea at the time.
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    Re: Drunk ASU student left at hospital with Post-it note

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The "they" I was referring to is the "they" that were at the party and helped get him so drunk he should be dead. My point was these people -- you know, the ones who think it's hilarious to watch (and help) a guy to kill himself -- should have their lives made miserable so they no longer think it's a hoot to pour beer or bourbon down a guy's throat until he pukes. The "they" I was referring to is the "they" that gave minors a place to party and get wasted, then climb into their cars and attempt to drive home. The "they" I was referring to is the "they" that supplied liquor to a minor and shouted "Whoot!! Whoot!! Whoot!!" while someone kept refilling this guy's glass until he was unconscious. Long before this kid's BAC reached .47!!!!!! he was incapable of serving himself.

    Twenty shots in a drinking competition. Every one of their parents ought to be informed. This is disgusting behavior. It is dangerous. It is like playing Russian Roulette. There should be real consequences for people who stand by and watch this happen. Real consequences for adults that permit it.

    Never did I say anyone should be charged for assisting a suicide. But that's exactly what they did.
    We do have crimes for that. The they who gave him alcohol are guilty of contributing to the deliquency of a minor or giving alcohol to a minor. Both of which are felonies i am pretty sure. If they forced alcohol onto a person they are guilty of assault. We would also have negligent homicide at least if he had killed himself. I am pretty sure you actually have to intend to have killed him for attempted homicide, so i cannot say they were guilty of that. If they drove while intoxicated then they are guilt of DWI or DUI.

    Drinking competitions and games are common, and do not actually involve malice. they are not against the law, nor should they actually be against the law. That is nanny stateism. That does not mean they wanted his death, and since he did not die it does not mean you can charge them with murder. We have crimes for some of these things. If you think we should outlaw drinking games then you should start trying to actually pass that law instead of trying to shoehorn it into assisted suicide. I know, it will never get by proposal. people will do some stupid things while drinking or doing other drugs. I don't ask anyone to come and arrest my friends because i went out and OD'd. Actually forget it and don't ever charge my friends unless they forced it on me, which they do not do. i don't want my friend's lives ruined because i did a stupid on my own free will. Maybe these guys were not actually his friends, and maybe they egged him on into doing something stupid, but unless they forced him to do it the responsibility lies on him along with his OD.

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