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    Re: IRS Admits targeting Conservative groups.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    If a few low-level IRS employees in Cincinnati doing this is evidence of this grand liberal evil plot, how about Republicans being convicted of election fraud and voter suppression? Have you widely condemned the entire GOP as a result of those actions?

    That view should challenge even your understanding of the world.

    The low level employees were employed by a federal agency and worked in what was considered to be the pivot point of the presidential election, Ohio. This occurred during a political Campaign for the Presidency.

    This is dramatically more serious and more closely linked to a corruption that has tentacles throughout the federal beauracracy than a second rate break in sponsored by the committee to re-elect.

    Regarding the convictions due to election fraud, there always seems to be enough to go around, but the Democrats are the ones with real people on TV claiming to have voted six times. Weren't the Dems claiming that there had never been a successful prosecution of election fraud when the idea of photo ID's was being pushed so it was a complete non-issue?
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    Re: IRS Admits targeting Conservative groups.

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    That view should challenge even your understanding of the world.

    The low level employees were employed by a federal agency and worked in what was considered to be the pivot point of the presidential election, Ohio. This occurred during a political Campaign for the Presidency.

    This is dramatically more serious and more closely linked to a corruption that has tentacles throughout the federal beauracracy than a second rate break in sponsored by the committee to re-elect.

    Regarding the convictions due to election fraud, there always seems to be enough to go around, but the Democrats are the ones with real people on TV claiming to have voted six times. Weren't the Dems claiming that there had never been a successful prosecution of election fraud when the idea of photo ID's was being pushed so it was a complete non-issue?
    No, nobody ever claimed there had never been a successful prosecution of election fraud. That's a ridiculous idea, where did you get it?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: IRS Admits targeting Conservative groups.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No, nobody ever claimed there had never been a successful prosecution of election fraud. That's a ridiculous idea, where did you get it?


    I got that idea from the Liberals on this board defending the notion that nobody should be required to prove they have the right to vote.

    I thought we were talking about the employees of the Federal Government, employed by an agency of the executive branch in the state of Ohio Harassing voters in the swing state of Ohio during the last presidential campaign.

    The corruption of this administration is awe inspiring.
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    Re: IRS Admits targeting Conservative groups.

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    I got that idea from the Liberals on this board defending the notion that nobody should be required to prove they have the right to vote.

    I thought we were talking about the employees of the Federal Government, employed by an agency of the executive branch in the state of Ohio Harassing voters in the swing state of Ohio during the last presidential campaign.

    The corruption of this administration is awe inspiring.
    You asked the question, buddy. Don't get mad that someone answers.

    You got that notion by inflating what people said. There's no way around this, literally not one person has ever claimed that there has never been a successful prosecution of election fraud. What people were saying is that actual voter fraud is very rare.

    If you cannot tell the difference between "very rare" and "has never happened before," I don't know what to tell you.

    A couple low-level IRS agents were inappropriately, and possibly illegally, targeting certain groups. IRS administration eventually discovered this and ordered them to stop.

    If this is evidence of "this administration" being corrupt, is a Republican being convicted of election fraud evidence that the GOP is corrupt to an awe inspiring level?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: IRS Admits targeting Conservative groups.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You asked the question, buddy. Don't get mad that someone answers.

    You got that notion by inflating what people said. There's no way around this, literally not one person has ever claimed that there has never been a successful prosecution of election fraud. What people were saying is that actual voter fraud is very rare.

    If you cannot tell the difference between "very rare" and "has never happened before," I don't know what to tell you.

    A couple low-level IRS agents were inappropriately, and possibly illegally, targeting certain groups. IRS administration eventually discovered this and ordered them to stop.

    If this is evidence of "this administration" being corrupt, is a Republican being convicted of election fraud evidence that the GOP is corrupt to an awe inspiring level?

    You seem to be dying to reveal the Republican who was convicted of Voter fraud, so please do so.

    Under Nixon, it was the Committee to Re-Elect that did all the damage that eventually led to the White house.

    This is very likely the very same kind of thing happening here. You just have to be impressed by the parallels.

    The History Place - Impeachment: Richard Nixon

    Article 1:
    Section 1:
    (1) Making or causing to be made false or misleading statements to lawfully authorized investigative officers and employes of the United States.
    Section 6:
    (6) Endeavoring to misuse the Central Intelligence Agency, an agency of the United States.
    Section 8:
    (8) Making false or misleading public statements for the purpose of deceiving the people of the United States into believing that a thorough and complete investigation has been conducted with respect to allegation of misconduct on the part of personnel of the Executive Branch of the United States and personnel of the Committee for the Re-Election of the President, and that there was no involvement of such personnel in such misconduct; or
    Section 9:
    (9) Endeavoring to cause prospective defendants, and individuals duly tried and convicted, to expect favored treatment and consideration in return for their silence or false testimony, or rewarding individuals for their silence or false testimony.


    Article 2:
    Section 1:
    (1) He has, acting personally and through his subordinated and agents, endeavored to obtain from the Internal Revenue Service, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, confidential information contained in income tax returns for purposes not authorized by law, and to cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigation to be initiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner.
    Section 4:
    (4) He has failed to take care that the laws were faithfully executed by failing to act when he knew or had reason to know that his close subordinates endeavored to impede and frustrate lawful inquiries by duly constituted executive; judicial and legislative entities concerning the unlawful entry into the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee, and the cover-up thereof, and concerning other unlawful activities including those relating to the confirmation of Richard Kleindienst as attorney general of the United States, the electronic surveillance of private citizens, the break-in into the office of Dr. Lewis Fielding, and the campaign financing practices of the Committee to Re-elect the President.

    Article 3:
    Article 3: Contempt of Congress.

    In his conduct of the office of President of the United States, Richard M. Nixon, contrary to his oath faithfully to execute the office of the President of the United States, and to the best of his ability preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, had failed without lawful cause or excuse, to produce papers and things as directed by duly authorized subpoenas issued by the Committee on the Judiciary of the House of Representatives, on April 11, 1974, May 15, 1974, May 30, 1974, and June 24, 1974, and willfully disobeyed such subpoenas. The subpoenaed papers and things were deemed necessary by the Committee in order to resolve by direct evidence fundamental, factual questions relating to Presidential direction, knowledge or approval of actions demonstrated by other evidence to be substantial grounds for impeachment of the President. In refusing to produce these papers and things, Richard M. Nixon, substituting his judgement as to what materials were necessary for the inquiry, interposed the powers of the Presidency against the lawful subpoenas of the House of Representatives, thereby assuming to himself functions and judgments necessary to the exercise of the sole power of impeachment vested by Constitution in the House of Representatives.
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    Re: IRS Admits targeting Conservative groups.

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    You seem to be dying to reveal the Republican who was convicted of Voter fraud, so please do so.
    Robocall: Schurick guilty of election fraud - baltimoresun.com

    Guilty of election fraud via robocalls aimed at voter suppression. So the entire GOP must be complicit and corrupt!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: IRS Admits targeting Conservative groups.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Robocall: Schurick guilty of election fraud - baltimoresun.com

    Guilty of election fraud via robocalls aimed at voter suppression. So the entire GOP must be complicit and corrupt!

    You are making charges that you seem to think are somehow linked to what I've said.

    Those charges are not.

    Were the robo-calls more egregious than the intimidation squads wielding bats at the polls or the woman who boasted of voting 6 times in the same election?
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    Re: IRS Admits targeting Conservative groups.

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    You are making charges that you seem to think are somehow linked to what I've said.

    Those charges are not.

    Were the robo-calls more egregious than the intimidation squads wielding bats at the polls or the woman who boasted of voting 6 times in the same election?
    Well, yes, they were more egregious because they affected a much larger group of people.

    But that's not the point either. The point is that the actions of a few aren't inherently damning to the entire demographic you choose to ascribe them to. A couple of those IRS agents may have been Christians, but nobody seems to be suggesting that Christians are behind some massive conspiracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: IRS Admits targeting Conservative groups.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Well, yes, they were more egregious because they affected a much larger group of people.

    But that's not the point either. The point is that the actions of a few aren't inherently damning to the entire demographic you choose to ascribe them to. A couple of those IRS agents may have been Christians, but nobody seems to be suggesting that Christians are behind some massive conspiracy.


    It requires the highest degree of naiveté to accept that the practice condoned in Cincy for about a year was not ignored by design.
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    Re: IRS Admits targeting Conservative groups.

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    It requires the highest degree of naiveté to accept that the practice condoned in Cincy for about a year was not ignored by design.
    A suspension of Disbelief ? HRC

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