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    Re: Jimmy Carter Named Most Trusted U.S. Politician in New Poll.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    I wonder why No one was mentored by Dodge. He was Ike's Budget director.....I use to run around with one of his quotes in my sig. Until I switched it out.
    IKE watch spending very closely, in fact in two of this eight years as president, there were surpluses that actually brought down the debt. IKE would raise taxes if he thought the budget wouldn't be balanced and he would lower them if the government was going to have a surplus. When IKE entered office the national debt stood at 266 billion, when he left office it stood at 288 billion.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Jimmy Carter Named Most Trusted U.S. Politician in New Poll.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Regardless of what you think of him as a president, he embodies some of the best qualities of humanity. Of course, you need to take off your rancid partisan hat to see it.
    I don't think partanship has much to do with it where it comes to his humanitarian efforts. As a POTUS he was a dismal failure, but as a humanitarian he's right in his wheelhouse. Even the partisans recognise that.

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    Re: Jimmy Carter Named Most Trusted U.S. Politician in New Poll.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Seriously, you need to start cracking some books on real history....

    That pos Carter on, the Iranian hostage crisis - he did nothing, he sent a message to the Islamic world that the US was a worthless paper tiger. This fueled radical Islam, which at the time was a distinct minority in the Islamic world. He is the Godfather of Hamas, Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Islamic Brotherhood, and other modern day terror organization

    Don't forget the fuel shortages and gas lines, interest rates, mortgage rates of 18%, double digit unemployment rates, etc, etc


    Oh crap, I was forgetting...how he defunded the military and intelligence community, *the Panama Canal (Canal Zone) was lost

    Just the thought that Carter was President is truly disgusting
    It looks like all Carter needs is a Charlie Chaplin moustache to complete your caricature of him.

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    Re: Jimmy Carter Named Most Trusted U.S. Politician in New Poll.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    You missed the biggest glaring difference. In those attacks during Bush, it was admitted, terrorist attack, terrorist attack, terrorist attack. Benghazi, it was a video attack, an incensed mob over a video, not a terrorist attack.
    Why is that glaring difference?

    If Obama, or anyone in State or Defense, had been able to make decisions that would have prevented these deaths, how the event was initially characterized would be irrelevant, the fact that nothing could have been done to save these people does not change the fact that characterization after the fact is irrelevant to the core facts surrounding the murder of these good people.

    Look, if political decisions in contradiction to standard procedure had prevented actions that would have saved these folks, then America would be outraged, but the reason America is not outraged is because that is simply not the case.

    If that understanding changes with new facts, then opinions will change, but you have to see that the GOP outrage is based entirely on being mad about stuff of which there is no evidence had happened.

    As Hillary said (and is not always quoted out of context) “With all due respect, the fact is we have four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided they’d go kill some Americans, what difference at this point does it make?”

    Are we really so petty that how the attack was immediately characterized is the most important thing in the world? How would understanding that better save lives? How would learning that this was political save lives?

    And beyond that, what if we ultimately find out the description is true that this was neither a pre-planned coordinated attack, nor a spontaneous uprising based on a video, but in fact an opportunistic attack by people intent on an attack at some point, that took advantage of the timing and the events in Egypt.

    The GOP is attempting to smear the administration on the basis of a bunch of "what if they were thinking this..." arguments with no basis in fact.
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    I do not believe any amount of people committing suicide with firearms justifies requiring firearm sellers to preach to customers about suicide regardless if it would or wouldn't save those who commit suicide.

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    Re: Jimmy Carter Named Most Trusted U.S. Politician in New Poll.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    It looks like all Carter needs is a Charlie Chaplin moustache to complete your caricature of him.
    Not really, pretty accurate assessment of him as a POTUS. As a humanitarian he shines where he failed as president.

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    Re: Jimmy Carter Named Most Trusted U.S. Politician in New Poll.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    My family operated a business back then and almost went under paying 18+% on loans and inflation over 20%. It was awful
    It was awful, and Carter caused it to be more awful by appointing Volcker.

    Volcker made it worse so it could get better. How did it work out for you after the policies of Carter's appointee began to show results?

    Would you rather a couple of bad years followed by a few good decades, or just a couple of slightly less crappy years followed by a couple of much crapper decades?

    Carter made a long term decision when his re-election relied on short term opinions. THAT IS LEADERSHIP!
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    I do not believe any amount of people committing suicide with firearms justifies requiring firearm sellers to preach to customers about suicide regardless if it would or wouldn't save those who commit suicide.

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    Re: Jimmy Carter Named Most Trusted U.S. Politician in New Poll.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    It was awful, and Carter caused it to be more awful by appointing Volcker.

    Volcker made it worse so it could get better. How did it work out for you after the policies of Carter's appointee began to show results?

    Would you rather a couple of bad years followed by a few good decades, or just a couple of slightly less crappy years followed by a couple of much crapper decades?

    Carter made a long term decision when his re-election relied on short term opinions. THAT IS LEADERSHIP!
    His policies put to many people under to ever give him credit for anything good. With our current sitting President, Carter is now the 2nd worst leader in my lifetime.

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    Re: Jimmy Carter Named Most Trusted U.S. Politician in New Poll.....

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    For the purpose of politics, that's fine. But this particular event should stand on its own. Either something is wrong now or it isn't. And what was wrong in the past doesn't matter.
    There should be two questions asked about Benghazi, what could we have done better to protect these people, and what should we change to prevent this from happening again.

    Everything else is political.
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    Re: Jimmy Carter Named Most Trusted U.S. Politician in New Poll.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    His policies put to many people under to ever give him credit for anything good. With our current sitting President, Carter is now the 2nd worst leader in my lifetime.
    That really doesn't make any sense as a response to my assertion.

    If you disagree with what I have said, debate it, but you seem to be saying that it doesn't matter if his policies led to decades of good growth, that couple of bad years makes it an emotional decision not to give him credit even if he is entitled to credit.
    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I do not believe any amount of people committing suicide with firearms justifies requiring firearm sellers to preach to customers about suicide regardless if it would or wouldn't save those who commit suicide.

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    Re: Jimmy Carter Named Most Trusted U.S. Politician in New Poll.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    IKE watch spending very closely, in fact in two of this eight years as president, there were surpluses that actually brought down the debt. IKE would raise taxes if he thought the budget wouldn't be balanced and he would lower them if the government was going to have a surplus. When IKE entered office the national debt stood at 266 billion, when he left office it stood at 288 billion.
    I know that.....I was wondering what happened to Dodge? Why Dodge didn't mentor anyone going forward?

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