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    Re: US Government shuts down 3D gun manufacturer

    So in other words the government just doubled sales projections for 3D Printers.

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    Re: US Government shuts down 3D gun manufacturer

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    that seems about as useless as the wooden gun from In the Line of Fire.
    I took a shotgun shell, propped it in a window and fired it by firing a pellet into it where the firing pin would would have struck. I wouldn't do it again and absolutely do not recommend it, but it worked.

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    Re: US Government shuts down 3D gun manufacturer

    I didn't read the entire thread, but I've been shallowly following this story since it broke. This isn't really just about gun control, but rather the convergence of two large issues: gun control (obviously) and copyright protection. As 3d printer technology advances, it will become more economical to produce and therefore we should start seeing consumer product that has the capability of printing in a multitude of materials, including metal. What this means is that, provided this happens, people will be able to go on the internet, obtain instructions on how to create virtually anything and what material to use, and then make it themselves. It effectively brings the entire idea of pirating intellectual property into the "real world". Instead of pirating songs, I could now pirate a car (the phrase "you wouldn't download a car" humorously becomes relevant). An extreme example, but certainly possible. So any Joe Schmoe can redesign literally anything in CAD, put it up on the internet, and anyone else can download it and create it in their printer.

    The gun issue is being used right now because the 3d printed gun is what really brought this entire concept into the spotlight for politicians (and probably most of the public, though techies have known for decades what these printers could be capable of). It didn't put it into the context of copyright, but that doesn't really matter. Politicians and the lobbyists behind them are not only interested in controlling the ability to create guns with these printers, but also the ability to create literally anything else which could be a potential violation of copyright laws. They're trying to move against it before it can really take hold.

    FWIW, the 3d gun cad models are freely available via Torrents. You can't delete stuff from the internet.
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    Re: US Government shuts down 3D gun manufacturer

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Considering the cost of a printer, the material to make it and the possibility of personal injury in firing this thing, it's just easier and cheaper to go buy a real firearm.

    3D printing has a long way to go before we're going to get reliable, safe 3D printed guns. The Democrats are seriously overreacting to this thing.

    Wonder if the file has a disclaimer about risk of personal injury from firing the weapon. I wouldn't be surprised if more people end up hurting themselves when the firearm malfunctions then people injured by intentional usage.
    its amazing that people freak out about it,yet so few realize criminals have made weapons for years,with basic machining tools and supplies available at home depot,capable of firing much more than one shot and little fear of it blowing up.heack anyone can walk into home depot and buy a decent pipe good enough to fire a 12 guage shell,as well as a makeshift stock and forearm and a crude firing pin mechanism.

    when i was in california,one of the big things for criminals was counterfeit ak-47's.they were made from things like shovels,old pipes,sheet metal from discarded washers dryers etc.they were ugly,and horribly innacurate,but they fire full auto,could last through several magazines,and when they failed they could be tossed in a dumpster with no way of tracing back to anyone unless they left fingerprints.people tend to ignore the fact that firearms are not rocket science,almost anyone can crudely make a firearm solong as they use the proper strencgth and thickness metal.
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    Re: US Government shuts down 3D gun manufacturer

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    its amazing that people freak out about it,yet so few realize criminals have made weapons for years,with basic machining tools and supplies available at home depot,capable of firing much more than one shot and little fear of it blowing up.heack anyone can walk into home depot and buy a decent pipe good enough to fire a 12 guage shell,as well as a makeshift stock and forearm and a crude firing pin mechanism.

    when i was in california,one of the big things for criminals was counterfeit ak-47's.they were made from things like shovels,old pipes,sheet metal from discarded washers dryers etc.they were ugly,and horribly innacurate,but they fire full auto,could last through several magazines,and when they failed they could be tossed in a dumpster with no way of tracing back to anyone unless they left fingerprints.people tend to ignore the fact that firearms are not rocket science,almost anyone can crudely make a firearm solong as they use the proper strencgth and thickness metal.
    Zip guns have been around for decades but that's not really the point of the thread. IMO, it won't be that long - maybe a decade assuming no government interference - before "real" guns (and lots of other things) can be printed like this.
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    Re: US Government shuts down 3D gun manufacturer

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Zip guns have been around for decades but that's not really the point of the thread. IMO, it won't be that long - maybe a decade assuming no government interference - before "real" guns (and lots of other things) can be printed like this.
    but real guns can already be made,much much cheaper,more reliable,and more accurate,yet no effort is made to stop it,yet 3d printers have made many headlines,yet it cant even do what people have been doing in their own homes for over a hundred years.if someone wanted to stop illegal gun sales or prevent criminals from having guns,3d printers would be the last thing to focus on,it would be better spent trying to eliminate demand for illegal guns,as demand always creates supply as seen in the war on drugs,second would be to attack illegal gun manufacturors,not to attack what they use tomake them,as most of the time they are commonly used materials and machines used by normal law abiding citizens.
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    Re: US Government shuts down 3D gun manufacturer

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The, "free speech", part.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The banned site wasn't giving away guns, they were giving away information that can be used to print a gun.
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    Re: US Government shuts down 3D gun manufacturer

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    but real guns can already be made,much much cheaper,more reliable,and more accurate,yet no effort is made to stop it,yet 3d printers have made many headlines,yet it cant even do what people have been doing in their own homes for over a hundred years.if someone wanted to stop illegal gun sales or prevent criminals from having guns,3d printers would be the last thing to focus on,it would be better spent trying to eliminate demand for illegal guns,as demand always creates supply as seen in the war on drugs,second would be to attack illegal gun manufacturors,not to attack what they use tomake them,as most of the time they are commonly used materials and machines used by normal law abiding citizens.
    In a decade or so when the first AK-47 comes out of a 3D printer for a third the price (or less) will you still feel the same?
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    Re: US Government shuts down 3D gun manufacturer

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    In a decade or so when the first AK-47 comes out of a 3D printer for a tenth the price will you still feel the same?
    i doubt that,gang bangers can currently make them and sell them for less than 100 bucks a piece with scrap metal,i doubt 3dprinters in the next 100 years can beat that price,especially considering their current reliable is such crap even if they got so cheap they could make one for 4 dollars,no one would want one because how low their life is,hell with one shot life i could just buy a musket and do the same.
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    Re: US Government shuts down 3D gun manufacturer

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    i doubt that,gang bangers can currently make them and sell them for less than 100 bucks a piece with scrap metal,i doubt 3dprinters in the next 100 years can beat that price,especially considering their current reliable is such crap even if they got so cheap they could make one for 4 dollars,no one would want one because how low their life is,hell with one shot life i could just buy a musket and do the same.
    Make, what? An AK-47 or equivalent?

    I wasn't talking about a one shot. I said "AK-47" and meant it - a real, live, fully-functional AK-47 and maybe lighter since I suspect a titanium alloy will be used instead of steel to make up for the (possibly) lower the structural strength (if any) from the printing process.
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