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US worst industrialised country to be a mom

TheDemSocialist said:
Well lets see here when 45,000 Americans die on average a year for lack of insurance, that drives our "quality" down pretty big.
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That correlation makes absolutely no sense. If they die because they didn't have insurance, it has absolutely nothing to do with the "quality" of health care.
 
Fisher said:
1. So no, I am anti-abortion. I am pro-death in a lot of circumstances, and the list is growing with liberal policies rewarding anti-social behavior :2wave:

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2. Of course it is non sense to you because you do not see that all those great government programs for poor people and their kids do not work. You have yet to refute the list I provided from the CDC. How would a trillion dollars in free medical care prevent genetic abnormalities? Answer the question or don't bother responding.
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1 Fine anti-abortion. Are you anti-abortion even for crack heads who have babies with "genetic defect"?

2. Those social programs work great in other industrial countries like Japan, France, Germany, Norway and Sweden. We don't have a trillion dollars worth of genetic defects. Where on earth did you get the idea we did?
 
DVSentinel said:
That correlation makes absolutely no sense. If they die because they didn't have insurance, it has absolutely nothing to do with the "quality" of health care.
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:roll: "cognitive dissonance". Look it up.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Explain to me why ever industrialized western nation has that form of healthcare or some form of public option but the quality is better?
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Where did you happen to hear that from? Did the W.H.O. tell you that?
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Oh god i forgot about the WHO conspiracy against us :roll:
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You besides the fact that you guys alway us the WHO and they have admitted telling lies to make UHC look better?
 
DVSentinel said:
That correlation makes absolutely no sense. If they die because they didn't have insurance, it has absolutely nothing to do with the "quality" of health care.
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The Libbos seem to believe that a healthcare system that is 100% government operated will make doctors better at their trade. I don't get it, either.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Well lets see here when 45,000 Americans die on average a year for lack of insurance, that drives our "quality" down pretty big.
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Those 45,000 people were too stupid, or too stubborn to take advantage of a system where it's illegal to deny their medical treatment. That has nothing to do with the quality of the care they would have recieved, had they taken their heads out of their asses and just went to the friggin doctor.

Even if healthcare was 100% free, those same 45,000 people--IMO--would have died, because they STILL wouldn't have went to see a doctor.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
[/FONT][/COLOR]US worst industrialised country to be a mom - YouTube

Remember our health care system according to some is "the best in the world".. Another thing not to be proud of with our terrible healthcare system. (only a matter of time until AAC gets brought into this)
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Ironic, this is actually because other countries have lower rates of hospitalization during births. Home births have a lower death rate then hospitalized births, mostly due to complications involved with performing a C-section. Its less about the healthcare system and more about the values of mothers thinking we need to use complicated medical procedures whenever possible.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Doesnt change the fact...
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Yes is does. A lot of other countries don't report extreme prematures, which skews the statistics. If you break up our infant mortality rate by weeks of gestation, the US ranks in the top 5 among industrialized countries in every category.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
So what makes them less "credible"
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Where to begin? The fact that the rankings use raw life expectancy and infant mortality numbers (not accounting for things like you know, car crashes, gun violence, extreme premature babies, etc. that have nothing to do with our healthcare). The fact that the study does considers electronic record usage and the number of infections in the hospital to be equally in weight. The fact that the study does NOT look into things that actually measure healthcare, such as cancer survival rates (who cares about those anyways), where the US consistently ranks number one in almost every category. The fact that they do NOT even consider medical technology (because you know, how advanced the treatment is kind of matters in quality). Oh, and the fact that only 1/4th of the ranking is actually related to healthcare (which isn't really, because of the reasons mentioned about life expectancy being a bad metric).


Is that enough for you?
 
I wouldn't get too wound up about the UN Survey, indeed the criteria has been halved from last years study, with a major criteria ranking being the percentage of women in a countries Parliament, coupled with educational attainment of women. The usual suspects did well in the survey, with small Nordic/Scandinavian countries doing particularly well as usual, but then again such countries would as they have some of the highest taxes in the world and a range of free education and welfare programmes for women. The fact that people in the top rated country Finland spend half the year living in the dark and are as depressed as hell doesn't seem to register with the UN. :lol:

BBC News - UK fails to make top 20 in mother's index

Nordic model - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Climate of the World: Finland - Weather UK - weatheronline.co.uk

Indeed don't the Finns drink to excess, have a massive suicide rate as well as one of the worst homicide rates in Europe, and have terrible arctic winters as well as being immersed in the dark for months on end, still happy mothering. :lol:
 
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Chatter said:
I wouldn't get too wound up about the UN Survey, indeed the criteria has been halved from last years study, with a major criteria ranking being the percentage of women in a countries Parliament, coupled with educational attainment of women. The usual suspects did well in the survey, with small Nordic/Scandinavian countries doing particularly well as usual, but then again such countries would as they have some of the highest taxes in the world and a range of free education and welfare programmes for women. The fact that people in the top rated country Finland spend half the year living in the dark and are as depressed as hell doesn't seem to register with the UN. :lol:

BBC News - UK fails to make top 20 in mother's index

Nordic model - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Climate of the World: Finland - Weather UK - weatheronline.co.uk

Indeed don't the Finns drink to excess, have a massive suicide rate as well as one of the worst homicide rates in Europe, and have terrible arctic winters as well as being immersed in the dark for months on end, still happy mothering. :lol:
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WAIT!!! So you are a European who doesn't put much faith in the UN surveys?
 
stonewall50 said:
WAIT!!! So you are a European who doesn't put much faith in the UN surveys?
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I don't put much faith in most surveys which try to compare countries using strange criteria and statistics. The US is a large country and has some fantastic areas to bring up children, however the UN Survey's narrow criteria doesn't reflect this. Indeed Child Mortality can be effected by an array of factors such as the age of the average mother, and in certain countries like the US and UK career women are waiting much loner to have babies, therefore increasing potential mortality rates. The same is true of rates regarding representation in National Parliaments, which don't really reflect on a nations ability to bring up children, it just proves that some countries are more liberal than others. In terms of education, the Nordic countries are always going to do well, as they are countries with amongst the highest taxes in the world, where University education is massively subsidised by the tax payer. :)
 
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Chatter said:
I don't put much faith in most surveys which try to compare countries using strange criteria and statistics. The US is a large country and has some fantastic areas to bring up children, however the UN Survey's narrow criteria doesn't reflect this.
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My God!!!! I Found ONE!! I FOUND ONE!!! I found something more rare than a Unicorn!!!

Seriously though. We have been saying this for years in the States. People (especially democrats) don't really seem to understand the whole narrow criteria that highlights some areas and trashes others.
 
stonewall50 said:
My God!!!! I Found ONE!! I FOUND ONE!!! I found something more rare than a Unicorn!!!

Seriously though. We have been saying this for years in the States. People (especially democrats) don't really seem to understand the whole narrow criteria that highlights some areas and trashes others.
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I get as sick as anyone else when it comes to these UN Surveys which are usually biased towards certain nations such as the Nordic Countries. In fact you even know who is going to be at the top of these UN Surveys without looking, and as I pointed out earlier, do most people actually really want to live in Finland, which is pretty much the equivalent of living in Northern Canada, with months of nothing but darkness in winter, freezing conditions, massive alcoholism, high homicide rates and suicide rate way above average. I am sorry but there are a lot of places in the world including a lot of the US that I would rather be brought up in if I was a child, than Finland and I should imagine there are better places to be a mother than Finland. :lol:

Now shut up and eat your whale meat and reindeer before it gets light in 3 months time. :lamo

The light in darkness: Finnish impressions of endless days and nights - 360documentaries - ABC Radio National (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Alcohol behind Finland's high homicide rate | ScienceNordic
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Explain to me why ever industrialized western nation has that form of healthcare or some form of public option but the quality is better?
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Explain to us what lead you to the conclusion that their quality is better. Is that conclusion based upon biased and limited data intended to lead the ignorant to a set conclusion or did you do real research and have a larger amount of data from which you drew that conclusion?

Yes, I know you're ignoring me, oh well. Go figure, after all the dehumanizing comments about socialist I've made, you wait until I find out your a confused kid and try to give you incentive to learn and to educate you that you finally decide to ignore me. I guess you are providing the perfect example of how socialist fear knowledge.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
So whats bad about Al-Jazeera? Oh yea its supposedly "hates the US" :roll:
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hahaha

Perhaps we should verify the Al-Jazeera youtube video with some news from Presstv!

And then we can check North Korean News to confirm our findings.
 
Al Jazeera is anti American? Who would have thought?
 
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