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    Re: US worst industrialised country to be a mom

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Oh god i forgot about the WHO conspiracy against us
    Its less about a conspiracy, and more about their (lack of) credibility.

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    Re: US worst industrialised country to be a mom

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Doesnt change the fact...
    Yes is does. A lot of other countries don't report extreme prematures, which skews the statistics. If you break up our infant mortality rate by weeks of gestation, the US ranks in the top 5 among industrialized countries in every category.

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    Re: US worst industrialised country to be a mom

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Its less about a conspiracy, and more about their (lack of) credibility.
    So what makes them less "credible"


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    Re: US worst industrialised country to be a mom

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So what makes them less "credible"
    Where to begin? The fact that the rankings use raw life expectancy and infant mortality numbers (not accounting for things like you know, car crashes, gun violence, extreme premature babies, etc. that have nothing to do with our healthcare). The fact that the study does considers electronic record usage and the number of infections in the hospital to be equally in weight. The fact that the study does NOT look into things that actually measure healthcare, such as cancer survival rates (who cares about those anyways), where the US consistently ranks number one in almost every category. The fact that they do NOT even consider medical technology (because you know, how advanced the treatment is kind of matters in quality). Oh, and the fact that only 1/4th of the ranking is actually related to healthcare (which isn't really, because of the reasons mentioned about life expectancy being a bad metric).


    Is that enough for you?

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    Re: US worst industrialised country to be a mom

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Wow..
    Yeah wow, maybe you should think before posting.
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    Re: US worst industrialised country to be a mom

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yea.. Where is the proof of that claim?
    Oh, c'mon. We're talking Al Jazeera here. Not Dr. Seuss.

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    Re: US worst industrialised country to be a mom

    I wouldn't get too wound up about the UN Survey, indeed the criteria has been halved from last years study, with a major criteria ranking being the percentage of women in a countries Parliament, coupled with educational attainment of women. The usual suspects did well in the survey, with small Nordic/Scandinavian countries doing particularly well as usual, but then again such countries would as they have some of the highest taxes in the world and a range of free education and welfare programmes for women. The fact that people in the top rated country Finland spend half the year living in the dark and are as depressed as hell doesn't seem to register with the UN.

    BBC News - UK fails to make top 20 in mother's index

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    Climate of the World: Finland - Weather UK - weatheronline.co.uk

    Indeed don't the Finns drink to excess, have a massive suicide rate as well as one of the worst homicide rates in Europe, and have terrible arctic winters as well as being immersed in the dark for months on end, still happy mothering.
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    Re: US worst industrialised country to be a mom

    Quote Originally Posted by Chatter View Post
    I wouldn't get too wound up about the UN Survey, indeed the criteria has been halved from last years study, with a major criteria ranking being the percentage of women in a countries Parliament, coupled with educational attainment of women. The usual suspects did well in the survey, with small Nordic/Scandinavian countries doing particularly well as usual, but then again such countries would as they have some of the highest taxes in the world and a range of free education and welfare programmes for women. The fact that people in the top rated country Finland spend half the year living in the dark and are as depressed as hell doesn't seem to register with the UN.

    BBC News - UK fails to make top 20 in mother's index

    Nordic model - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Climate of the World: Finland - Weather UK - weatheronline.co.uk

    Indeed don't the Finns drink to excess, have a massive suicide rate as well as one of the worst homicide rates in Europe, and have terrible arctic winters as well as being immersed in the dark for months on end, still happy mothering.
    WAIT!!! So you are a European who doesn't put much faith in the UN surveys?
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    Re: US worst industrialised country to be a mom

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    WAIT!!! So you are a European who doesn't put much faith in the UN surveys?
    I don't put much faith in most surveys which try to compare countries using strange criteria and statistics. The US is a large country and has some fantastic areas to bring up children, however the UN Survey's narrow criteria doesn't reflect this. Indeed Child Mortality can be effected by an array of factors such as the age of the average mother, and in certain countries like the US and UK career women are waiting much loner to have babies, therefore increasing potential mortality rates. The same is true of rates regarding representation in National Parliaments, which don't really reflect on a nations ability to bring up children, it just proves that some countries are more liberal than others. In terms of education, the Nordic countries are always going to do well, as they are countries with amongst the highest taxes in the world, where University education is massively subsidised by the tax payer.
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    Re: US worst industrialised country to be a mom

    Quote Originally Posted by Chatter View Post
    I don't put much faith in most surveys which try to compare countries using strange criteria and statistics. The US is a large country and has some fantastic areas to bring up children, however the UN Survey's narrow criteria doesn't reflect this.
    My God!!!! I Found ONE!! I FOUND ONE!!! I found something more rare than a Unicorn!!!

    Seriously though. We have been saying this for years in the States. People (especially democrats) don't really seem to understand the whole narrow criteria that highlights some areas and trashes others.
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