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    re: Senate approves online sales tax bill [W:244]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    can you tell my how my state in the southwest, should get tax money for a pair of boots bought from LL Bean in Maine which they are created there and stored for sale?

    becuase the LL Bean site was created and is maintained (serviced) in Maine. and so who say its a tax on my delivery, sounds more like a delivery tax to me and not a sales tax.
    Well, in theory, a sales tax is really a sales & use tax. You, as the user, are legally responsible for paying the tax, but you are not going to do that and the cost of enforcement is prohibitive, so states have relied on the retailer to collect the tax (Yes, believe it or not, if you buy boots from LL Bean, you have, all along, had the obligation to report that and pay it to your state.)

    The states, to date, have only required businesses doing business in the state to actually collect the tax. Retailers, not wanting to be burdened, have long since (and successfully) argued that if they have no employees nor physical locations in the state, they are not doing business there.

    Frankly, states have long been after mail-order houses to collect and pay the tax, but without success. Now, in the era of the Internet, its a bit difficult to make the argument they are not doing business in a state just because they have no office. The COTUS action merely referees the issue in favor of the position states have long-held. Certainly the commerce clause allows the Feds to refer issues affecting commerce across state lines, which is all this is really about.

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    re: Senate approves online sales tax bill [W:244]

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Well, in theory, a sales tax is really a sales & use tax. You, as the user, are legally responsible for paying the tax, but you are not going to do that and the cost of enforcement is prohibitive, so states have relied on the retailer to collect the tax (Yes, believe it or not, if you buy boots from LL Bean, you have, all along, had the obligation to report that and pay it to your state.)

    The states, to date, have only required businesses doing business in the state to actually collect the tax. Retailers, not wanting to be burdened, have long since (and successfully) argued that if they have no employees nor physical locations in the state, they are not doing business there.

    Frankly, states have long been after mail-order houses to collect and pay the tax, but without success. Now, in the era of the Internet, its a bit difficult to make the argument they are not doing business in a state just because they have no office. The COTUS action merely referees the issue in favor of the position states have long-held. Certainly the commerce clause allows the Feds to refer issues affecting commerce across state lines, which is all this is really about.
    i am wondering how this would play out, there are also beside the states in getting taxes, county, and city.....will they receive any money out of this.

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    re: Senate approves online sales tax bill [W:244]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i am wondering how this would play out, there are also beside the states in getting taxes, county, and city.....will they receive any money out of this.
    The software calculates local sale tax too. The money is sent to the state along with the states sales taxes. It's the responsibility of the state to distribute the local taxes to the localities that levied those taxes.
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    Re: Senate approves online sales tax bill [W:244]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    interesting?........does this mean in the future, we can have states suing citizens of other states--------> for state sales tax evasion?
    Evidently that's what the Senate wants to be possible.
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    Re: Senate approves online sales tax bill [W:244]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Evidently that's what the Senate wants to be possible.
    question: does the congress have the power, to grant the states power to tax?

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    Re: Senate approves online sales tax bill [W:244]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You can see whatever you choose; It's a free country

    However, the fact is that this is not a new tax. It's been around for many, many years.
    Again...the issue is not the tax. The issue is whether a State can compel the resident of another State to collect and deliver tax revenue. Evidently, the Senate wants them to be able to do so. I think it's a bad precedence.
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    Re: Senate approves online sales tax bill [W:244]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    question: does the congress have the power, to grant the states power to tax?
    The States have the power to tax...whether Congress grants it or not.

    The question is...should Congress grant the States the power to compel citizens from another State to do their work for them? ie, collect and deliver sales tax revenue.
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    Re: Senate approves online sales tax bill [W:244]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    The States have the power to tax...whether Congress grants it or not.

    The question is...should Congress grant the States the power to compel citizens from another State to do their work for them? ie, collect and deliver sales tax revenue.
    well the question would be, by what authority does congress have ...to try to give states a power.

    congress duties are few and defined, where state power in vast.

    how can congress delegate any power to states, no authority in the constitution?

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    Re: Senate approves online sales tax bill [W:244]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well the question would be, by what authority does congress have ...to try to give states a power.

    congress duties are few and defined, where state power in vast.

    how can congress delegate any power to states, no authority in the constitution?
    If the House doesn't nip this in the bud, we very well might see the Supremes ponder that question.
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