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Democrats Back Away from Obama on Benghazi

MMC said:
Do you think it is possible that help could have come from some other sort of Ally. Or was that just dropped from the equation?
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Time would have been spent asking our allies to help, and more time would have been used up for our ally's to send their reinforcements.

The closest allies at hand were the forces provided by the Libyans themselves.
 
Hatuey said:
All that diatribe isn't going to move you away from the fact that nobody cares and it isn't going to get Obama impeached. :shrug:
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"Nobody cares" ? That's a pretty stupid remark to make.

I'm sure the uninformed don't care because they are uninformed.

The Democrat Party is extremely concerned that the truth remains buried.

The MSM is concerned because they have been giving Obama a complete pass since 2008 and are responsible for putting Obama in the White House in 2009 and are responsible of convincing the uninformed to give Obama a second chance in 2012. It's the MSM credibility that is in jeopardy.
 
Hatuey said:
Part of his record on what? Faux outrage from people trying to compare Nixon's unlawful use of government to a government screw up? Government screw ups are a dime a dozen. I'm sure Iraq, Kosovo and Iran-Contra will be far more memorable than this. In 5 years nobody will even know about Benghazi. Most people will know about Iran-Contra and no WMDs.
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Evidently you haven't been keeping up if you have to ask on what. According to ABC, CBS and CNN. They are saying Obama changed his talking points. They are now saying that team Obama knew about the attack 48 hrs prior to the attack. We have the Libyans and the Brits pointing out 3days ahead of the attack they warned Team Obama. We also have Obama knowing about al-Zawahiri's release of his Video for 911 18 hrs before the attack.

Again the Nixon argument is nothing but a deflection. 2 wrongs don't make it Right. Explaining away what another Administration did that was wrong. Has nothing to do with this Administration did and then Deny AQ was involved. Now Team Obama's Own FBI says AQ was involved.

"So what.....maybe no one will remember Benghazi in 5 years. But going forward.....No Democrats WILL ever Again Ignore Clear warnings signs and allow Americans to be killed ever again, and certainly not while they are in Power. As this was their Team that dropped the ball on the Anniversary of 911. As well as their **** up with Libya from the get go.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Time would have been spent asking our allies to help, and more time would have been used up for our ally's to send their reinforcements.

The closest allies at hand were the forces provided by the Libyans themselves.
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Perhaps you should start looking up what the Brits have to say about that. Since they state that no one in the US ever contacted them.
 
APACHERAT said:
"Nobody cares" ? That's a pretty stupid remark to make.

I'm sure the uninformed don't care because they are uninformed.

The Democrat Party is extremely concerned that the truth remains buried.

The MSM is concerned because they have been giving Obama a complete pass since 2008 and are responsible for putting Obama in the White House in 2009 and are responsible of convincing the uninformed to give Obama a second chance in 2012. It's the MSM credibility that is in jeopardy.
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Well.....you didn't think they want the Low information voters finding out anything like........................the Truth now, did ya?

I mean all you have to do is watch the same Democratic underground talking points that they use. Albeit distracting at times.....but quite comical otherwise.
 
MMC said:
Evidently you haven't been keeping up if you have to ask on what. According to ABC, CBS and CNN. They are saying Obama changed his talking points. They are now saying that team Obama knew about the attack 48 hrs prior to the attack. We have the Libyans and the Brits pointing out 3days ahead of the attack they warned Team Obama. We also have Obama knowing about al-Zawahiri's release of his Video for 911 18 hrs before the attack.

Again the Nixon argument is nothing but a deflection. 2 wrongs don't make it Right. Explaining away what another Administration did that was wrong. Has nothing to do with this Administration did and then Deny AQ was involved. Now Team Obama's Own FBI says AQ was involved.

"So what.....maybe no one will remember Benghazi in 5 years. But going forward.....No Democrats WILL ever Again Ignore Clear warnings signs and allow Americans to be killed ever again, and certainly not while they are in Power. As this was their Team that dropped the ball on the Anniversary of 911. As well as their **** up with Libya from the get go.
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We can only make claims about these warnings with the benefit of hindsight, but at the time of the warnings there was still no concrete proof that the attacks would happen the way we did.
 
MMC said:
Perhaps you should start looking up what the Brits have to say about that. Since they state that no one in the US ever contacted them.
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Would have. Should have. Could have.

The errors happened some where in the middle of the bureaucracy.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
We can only make claims about these warnings with the benefit of hindsight, but at the time of the warnings there was still no concrete proof that the attacks would happen the way we did.
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Not true.....

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...we-knew-benghazi-terrorist-attack-get-go.html

Libya: We gave US three-day warning of Benghazi attack .....


American diplomats were warned of possible violent unrest in Benghazi three days before the killings of US Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three members of his team, Libyan security officials say.

The claim came as the country's interim President, Mohammed el-Megarif, said his government had information that the attack on the US consulate had been planned by an Islamist group with links to al-Qa'ida and with foreigners taking part.

However, the American ambassador to the UN, Susan Rice, insisted that the killings had resulted from a demonstration against a film about the Prophet Mohamed, replicating protests in Cairo, which had been "hijacked" and got out of control.

The Independent has reported diplomatic sources who said that the threat of an attack against US interests in the region was known to the US administration 48 hours before it took place. The alert was issued by the State Department's Bureau of Diplomatic Security, but not made public. A State Department spokesman maintained: "We are not aware of any actionable intelligence indicating that an attack on the US Mission in Benghazi was planned or imminent."

But President Megarif told the American station National Public Radio: "We firmly believe that this was a pre-calculated, pre-planned attack that was carried out specifically to attack the US Consulate. A few of those who joined in were foreigners who had entered Libya from different directions, some of them definitely from Mali and Algeria."

A senior official of the biggest militia in Benghazi, the February 17th Brigade, told CNN that he had warned US diplomats of a rapidly deteriorating security situation in Benghazi three days before the attack. "The situation is frightening, it scares us," he said he had stressed during the meeting.
The British consulate in the city was shut after an ambush of a convoy carrying Dominic Asquith, the UK ambassador, in which his bodyguard were injured. The UN and International Committee of the Red Cross offices had been bombed and there had been a spate of political assassinations.

However, Ms Rice denied the Benghazi attack was pre-planned. She said: "Our current best assessment... is that... it was a spontaneous – not a premeditated – response to what had transpired in Cairo. "A small number of people came to the consulate. It seems to have been hijacked by some individual clusters of extremists who came with heavier weapons... And it then evolved from there."

Captain Fathi al-Obeidi, who had taken an eight-strong American rescue team which had arrived from Tripoli to the safe house, said "I don't know how they found the place to carry out the attack. It was planned, the accuracy with which the mortars hit us was too good for any ordinary revolutionaries." On Sunday, the head of Libya's national congress said about 50 people had been arrested in connection with the attack on the US consulate, though the interior ministry put the figure far lower.....snip~

Libya: We gave US three-day warning of Benghazi attack - Africa - World - The Independent
Tuesday 18 September 2012 <<<<< ;)

Here Let that Be Rephrased again so that none In the Obama Administration can come back to deny it. It is a fact.....reported by the Libyans and the Brits.

The Independent has reported diplomatic sources who said that the threat of an attack against US interests in the region was known to the US administration 48 hours before it took place. The alert was issued by the State Department's Bureau of Diplomatic Security, but not made public. A State Department spokesman maintained: "We are not aware of any actionable intelligence indicating that an attack on the US Mission in Benghazi was planned or imminent.".....snip~

That's Right 48 hrs Before the Attack took Place.....Repeat 48 hrs before the attack took place. Which means it was known by the US even before Al-Zawahri (sp) even released his 911 Video Tape!!!!!

Then there is that issue about the Libyans.....U know the Host Country providing Security. Notice how they were ignored!
 
APACHERAT said:
Is this the beginning of the end of Barack Obama's Presidency ?

Is this Barack Obama's Watergate ?

Nixon resigned because he lied (not under oath) that he had no knowledge of the Watergate break in knowing it could hurt his reelection for a second term in the White House. Nixon wasn't informed of the Watergate break in until after it happened. And no one was murdered during the Watergate break in.

Evidence has already surfaced that President Obama knew while the attack on the consulate in Benghazi was in progress that it was a well organized attack having nothing to do with a You Tube video and by the next day it was confirmed that the attack was an Al Qaeda attack.

But Obama knowing he has been running for reelection on a platform that Al Qaeda was on the run and being decimated, that if the American people found out that Al Qaeda isn't on the run and have expanded it's base of operations during his first term in the White House all across the Middle East and North Africa, this could cause him to lose reelection. So he ordered a cover up six weeks before the November elections.

Will President Obama show the same respect to the office of the Presidency and resign as Nixon did back in 74 ?

Will the Democrats follow the same course as the Republicans honorably did back in 74 when they told Nixon it's time to go ?

It's starting to look likely some Democrats see Obama's Watergate coming.

Sunday Shows: Democrats Back Away from Obama on Benghazi, Syria

>" Democrats on Sunday morning's news shows appeared to back away from President Barack Obama on his administration's response to the Benghazi terror attack and his blurry "red line" on Syria's chemical weapons.
On Fox News Sunday, Rep. Stephen Lynch (D-MA) admitted that the Obama administration's talking points on Benghazi, edited to remove references to extremism and blaming protests against an anti-Islamic YouTube video for the violence, were "false. They were wrong. There were no protests outside the Benghazi compound."

On CBS News' Face the Nation, Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger (D-MD), the Ranking Member of the House Intelligence Committee, also admitted that the administration's talking points were wrong, though putting the changes down to the fact that the intelligence changed over time in a "volatile situation."


Meanwhile, on Syria, former Rep. Jane Harman, a prominent California Democraet, acknowledged on NBC News' Meet the Press that the Obama administration had been slow to respond: "I wish we had acted sooner."

Republicans remain divided on the Syria issue, but on Benghazi the caucus anticipates a week of testimony that will prove deeply damaging to the Obama administration, as well as the media's attempts to protect him. "<
Sunday Shows: Democrats Back Away from Obama on Benghazi, Syria
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I predict that by the end of January 2017 he will be out of office. Mark my words!
 
MMC said:
Not true.....

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...we-knew-benghazi-terrorist-attack-get-go.html

Libya: We gave US three-day warning of Benghazi attack .....


American diplomats were warned of possible violent unrest in Benghazi three days before the killings of US Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three members of his team, Libyan security officials say.

The claim came as the country's interim President, Mohammed el-Megarif, said his government had information that the attack on the US consulate had been planned by an Islamist group with links to al-Qa'ida and with foreigners taking part.

However, the American ambassador to the UN, Susan Rice, insisted that the killings had resulted from a demonstration against a film about the Prophet Mohamed, replicating protests in Cairo, which had been "hijacked" and got out of control.

The Independent has reported diplomatic sources who said that the threat of an attack against US interests in the region was known to the US administration 48 hours before it took place. The alert was issued by the State Department's Bureau of Diplomatic Security, but not made public. A State Department spokesman maintained: "We are not aware of any actionable intelligence indicating that an attack on the US Mission in Benghazi was planned or imminent."

But President Megarif told the American station National Public Radio: "We firmly believe that this was a pre-calculated, pre-planned attack that was carried out specifically to attack the US Consulate. A few of those who joined in were foreigners who had entered Libya from different directions, some of them definitely from Mali and Algeria."

A senior official of the biggest militia in Benghazi, the February 17th Brigade, told CNN that he had warned US diplomats of a rapidly deteriorating security situation in Benghazi three days before the attack. "The situation is frightening, it scares us," he said he had stressed during the meeting.
The British consulate in the city was shut after an ambush of a convoy carrying Dominic Asquith, the UK ambassador, in which his bodyguard were injured. The UN and International Committee of the Red Cross offices had been bombed and there had been a spate of political assassinations.

However, Ms Rice denied the Benghazi attack was pre-planned. She said: "Our current best assessment... is that... it was a spontaneous – not a premeditated – response to what had transpired in Cairo. "A small number of people came to the consulate. It seems to have been hijacked by some individual clusters of extremists who came with heavier weapons... And it then evolved from there."

Captain Fathi al-Obeidi, who had taken an eight-strong American rescue team which had arrived from Tripoli to the safe house, said "I don't know how they found the place to carry out the attack. It was planned, the accuracy with which the mortars hit us was too good for any ordinary revolutionaries." On Sunday, the head of Libya's national congress said about 50 people had been arrested in connection with the attack on the US consulate, though the interior ministry put the figure far lower.....snip~

Libya: We gave US three-day warning of Benghazi attack - Africa - World - The Independent
Tuesday 18 September 2012 <<<<< ;)

Here Let that Be Rephrased again so that none In the Obama Administration can come back to deny it. It is a fact.....reported by the Libyans and the Brits.

The Independent has reported diplomatic sources who said that the threat of an attack against US interests in the region was known to the US administration 48 hours before it took place. The alert was issued by the State Department's Bureau of Diplomatic Security, but not made public. A State Department spokesman maintained: "We are not aware of any actionable intelligence indicating that an attack on the US Mission in Benghazi was planned or imminent.".....snip~

That's Right 48 hrs Before the Attack took Place.....Repeat 48 hrs before the attack took place. Which means it was known by the US even before Al-Zawahri (sp) even released his 911 Video Tape!!!!!

Then there is that issue about the Libyans.....U know the Host Country providing Security. Notice how they were ignored!
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How long would it have taken a marine unit to deploy to Libya in that amount of time? Too little too late.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Nixion tried to withhold evidence implicating him.
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True, but implicating him of what ?

Remember that Nixon had no knowledge of the break in of the DNC HQ's at the Watergate complex until after the story hit the papers that some burglars were arrested while inside the DNC HQ's.

Nixon didn't order the burglary.

Nixon lied that he had no knowledge right after the break in that there were those with in the White House reelection committee who may have been involved.

I wonder what's going through Hillary Rodham Clinton's mind right now when she thinks about how she was part of the radical "New Left" back in 1974 who was behind bringing Nixon down ?

What comes around goes around. Carma.

But break ins of your opponents political party offices, inserting spies with in other political parties, wiretapping, etc. have been done by Presidents or those representing President going back to FDR and maybe even further back. Remember back in 1968 when LBJ ordered that Richard M. Nixon plane to be bugged ?

The thread is about Benghazi and a White House cover up. We can compare Benghazigate to Watergate and Benghazigate sure looks like to be bigger than Watergate. Nobody was murdered during Watergate.

Benghazigate also puts the MSM under the microscope, did they give Obama another complete pass before the elections ?
 
APACHERAT said:
Nixon wasn't going to put America through a Constitutional crisis.

If you remember back in 1960 when the corpses of Cook County, Ill. rose out of their graves and voted for JFK and Nixon lost the election, Nixon was asked "you know you actually won the election, why don't you contest the election" ? Nixon said he wasn't going to put America through such a crisis.

It's sad that Al Gore didn't have the dignity that Nixon had.

If you were around in 1974 you know there were many Americans who wanted Nixon to fight the charges. They believed Nixon should have allowed himself to be Impeached in the House and then fight the charges in the Senate. Many believed that Nixon would be found not guilty.

Remember, Nixon committed no crime, unlike President Clinton, Nixon never lied under oath. Nixon like Obama lied to the American people get reelected.
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Well I have no first hand recollection of that which predates me, but everything I have heard or read made me think that Nixon knew he was not going to survive which was the only reason he resigned. Either way, I doubt Obama did anything illegal--they just stonewalled to get through the election and now there is nothing that can be done. I suspect Hillary probably did lie under oath, but she is gone now too.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
How long would it have taken a marine unit to deploy to Libya in that amount of time? Too little too late.
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Try again.....48hrs would be plenty of time from any response out of Europe. There is a whole host of factors that come into play with having 48hrs to decide. Also what does that have to do with not beefing up any security knowing what the Libyans had told them? Which the State Dept refused to do.

Did you look to see what Countries the Brits were in......inside the Continent of Africa?
 
MMC said:
Try again.....48hrs would be plenty of time from any response out of Europe. There is a whole host of factors that come into play with having 48hrs to decide. Also what does that have to do with not beefing up any security knowing what the Libyans had told them? Which the State Dept refused to do.

Did you look to see what Countries the Brits were in......inside the Continent of Africa?
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How would they have got to the embassy? Helicopter? On foot? Drive there from the airport?

And when they did get there what could they do? How many attackers were there?

And who says they did not act on it? They could have taken it into consideration and decided not to act.

It also helps to remember that funding for their embassy security had been cut.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
How long would it have taken a marine unit to deploy to Libya in that amount of time? Too little too late.
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One of the questions that the Senate asked, Why was it that the last eleven President before Obama always had a Navy CBG/CSG and a ARG/MEU on station in the 6th Fleet AOR to respond to such an incident ?

But there was an American Fast Reaction Force one hour away in Sicily. What the hearing will probably reveal that those forces were ordered to stand down and disembark from the aircraft.

Also their was a British FRF in Tripoli who cantacted the U.S. Government asking if they wanted them to go in to Benghazi and rescue the Americans. No response from the Obama administration.

Remember this battle in Benghazi went on for over five hours while a UAV flew above the battle and sent live imaging to the White House situation room. The U.S. military commands were also watching the live feed while the battle was taking and place and informed the White House that this was no demonstration over a You Tube Video but a well planned terrorist attack. The next morning the military reported to the White House that the attack was conducted by Al Qaeda militia. But the Obama administration spent two weeks lying to the American people that it wasn't Al Qaeda but just some ordinary Muslims upset over a video.

There was also DELTA FORCE in Europe one hour away from Benghazi.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
How would they have got to the embassy? Helicopter? On foot? Drive there from the airport?

And when they did get there what could they do? How many attackers were there?

And who says they did not act on it? They could have taken it into consideration and decided not to act.

It also helps to remember that funding for their embassy security had been cut.
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Who Says? The CSG!

Another witness for Wednesday's hearing, Mark Thompson, is a counterterrorism expert. He's likely to address another sore spot surrounding the night of the attacks: the fact that the Obama Administration did not convene its top interagency counterterrorism resource, the Counterterrorism Security Group (CSG). According to Rep. Issa, Thompson will testify that he was locked out of the process "even though he was the individual who was supposed to react to these kinds of things."

Counterterrorism sources and internal emails reviewed by CBS News express frustration that key responders were ready to deploy, but were not called upon to help in the attack. National Security Council Spokesman Tommy Vietor told CBS News the CSG was not needed.

"From the moment the president was briefed on the Benghazi attack, the response effort was handled by the most senior national security officials in governments. Members of the CSG were of course involved in these meetings and discussions to support their bosses," said Vietor.

"The CSG is the one group that's supposed to know what resources every agency has. They know of multiple options and have the ability to coordinate counterterrorism assets across all the agencies," a high-ranking government official told CBS News. "They were not allowed to do their job. They were not called upon."

Absent coordination from Counterterrorism Security Group, a senior U.S. counterterrorism official says the response to the crisis became more confused. "The response process was isolated at the most senior level," says an official referring to top officials in the executive branch. "My fellow counterterrorism professionals and I (were) not consulted.".....snip~

Three more officials to testify about Benghazi attacks - CBS News
 
APACHERAT said:
One of the questions that the Senate asked, Why was it that the last eleven President before Obama always had a Navy CBG/CSG and a ARG/MEU on station in the 6th Fleet AOR to respond to such an incident ?

But there was an American Fast Reaction Force one hour away in Sicily. What the hearing will probably reveal that those forces were ordered to stand down and disembark from the aircraft.

Also their was a British FRF in Tripoli who cantacted the U.S. Government asking if they wanted them to go in to Benghazi and rescue the Americans. No response from the Obama administration.

Remember this battle in Benghazi went on for over five hours while a UAV flew above the battle and sent live imaging to the White House situation room. The U.S. military commands were also watching the live feed while the battle was taking and place and informed the White House that this was no demonstration over a You Tube Video b
ut a well planned terrorist attack. The next morning the military reported to the White House that the attack was conducted by Al Qaeda militia. But the Obama administration spent two weeks lying to the American people that it wasn't Al Qaeda but just some ordinary Muslims upset over a video.

There was also DELTA FORCE in Europe one hour away from Benghazi.
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What was the situation in the city of of Benghazi? Were there people in the streets.

Ground transportation would have been delayed by traffic and if delta force flew in by helicopter they would have been sitting ducks to the attackers.
 
Fisher said:
Either way, I doubt Obama did anything illegal--they just stonewalled to get through the election and now there is nothing that can be done.
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Dereliction of duty as Cn'C is a serious crime.

Incompetency is not a crime but President Obama already has a well established track record of not being able to make quick decisions during life or death situations and or other serious decisions that require quick response.

One of the first examples when the Commander of military forces in Afghanistan requested a troop surge in early 2009. It took Obama over three months to sign off on the troop surghe request while American troops were being killed on the battlefields of Afghanistan.

Osama bin Laden. U.S. intelligence knew of Bin Ladens compound for eight months before Navy SEAL's went in to eliminate Bin Laden. That Navy SEAL's were ready to go in and get OBL for three month and were actually on two or three occasions were given the go and then were ordered to stand down. Those orders coming from the highest levels of government. (Scuttlebutt is, that it was Valerie Jarrett, Obama's senior advisor who convinced Obama to abort the missions for political reasons.)


That Obama actually laid the mission on taking out Bin Laden on Leon Panaetta's lap to issue the orders and Panetta dropped it on Adm. McRaven's lap that it was his call so if anything went wrong the Obama administration could blame it on Adm. McRaven and the Navy SEAL's. Someone is incapable of carrying out the duties as Cn'C.

I noticed that the White House website has changed after the election in November what it use to say about the Bin Laden raid. It use to say that Obama ordered the Navy SEAL's to go in, which is a lie, Adm. McRaven gave the order. The White House website now says that Barack Obama authorised the raid. Now that's closer to the truth. Obama was completely out of the loop when the Navy SEAL's went in and took out Bin Laden.
 
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MMC said:
So much for that theory. :lol:

Another witness for Wednesday's hearing, Mark Thompson, is a counterterrorism expert. He's likely to address another sore spot surrounding the night of the attacks: the fact that the Obama Administration did not convene its top interagency counterterrorism resource, the Counterterrorism Security Group (CSG). According to Rep. Issa, Thompson will testify that he was locked out of the process "even though he was the individual who was supposed to react to these kinds of things."

Counterterrorism sources and internal emails reviewed by CBS News express frustration that key responders were ready to deploy, but were not called upon to help in the attack. National Security Council Spokesman Tommy Vietor told CBS News the CSG was not needed.

"From the moment the president was briefed on the Benghazi attack, the response effort was handled by the most senior national security officials in governments. Members of the CSG were of course involved in these meetings and discussions to support their bosses," said Vietor.

"The CSG is the one group that's supposed to know what resources every agency has. They know of multiple options and have the ability to coordinate counterterrorism assets across all the agencies," a high-ranking government official told CBS News. "They were not allowed to do their job. They were not called upon."

Absent coordination from Counterterrorism Security Group, a senior U.S. counterterrorism official says the response to the crisis became more confused. "The response process was isolated at the most senior level," says an official referring to top officials in the executive branch. "My fellow counterterrorism professionals and I (were) not consulted.".....snip~

Three more officials to testify about Benghazi attacks - CBS News

"Oh" and Stevens was Meeting a Turkish Envoy and was seen on the Street with him In front of the Consulate. See he had to meet the Turks Envoy.....Cuz the Turks had pulled their Ambassador out when the
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after the Conflict with Gadhafi had jumped off. It is alleged that Steven's was meeting with the Turk over weapons to Syria. Especially after a Libyan Freighter showed up 5 days earlier than the attack on Benghazi. On the Shores of Syria. Then it was known that somehow the Syrian Rebels had gotten a hold of ManPads outta of Libya. Which we know that Clinton had testified that was what was a concern and being held in the CIA Safehouse. That they were trying to round up what Gadhafi had.....on specifically ManPads.

Bottomline is.....now the MSMedia are the ones carrying it all forward. So far CBS, ABC, and CNN. Lions Tigers and Bears....."Oh My"! :lamo
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Interesting but until the expert testifies under oath and all sides get to question him taking the word of Issa seems a bit much for now.

As for the meeting, why in the much less secure consulate and why on the anniversary of 9-11?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
What was the situation in the city of of Benghazi? Were there people in the streets.

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There sure were people on the streets, Al Qada militia. And they were armed with more than AK-47's. They had RPG's, heavy .50 Cal machineguns and mortars. Definitely not what you bring to a demonstration over a You Tube video.

If Obama would have done his job as Cn'C like the eleven Presidents before him were responsible of doing, making sure that there was a Carrier Strike Force in the 5th Fleet AOR with 1 Nimitz class carrier with a Carrier Air Wing 70 aircraft on board, 2 cruisers, 3 destroyers and 1 attack sub along with a Amphibious Ready Group with 1 LHD, 1 LPD and 1 LSD with a Marine MEU (soc) aboard (1,800 Marines who are special operations capable) which normally has 12 CH-46 helicopters, 4 CH-53 helicopters, 4 AH1 Cobra gunships and 2 UH-1 Hueys.

Launch a FA-18E armed with one Mk. 84 bomb that can be laser guided to the target. Launch one FA-18F to put the laser designator on the target. I can assure you everyone with in a klick or two would have gotten out of Dodge when the bomb hit the ground.

A destroyer with it's one 5"/54 gun could have just fired a direct fire mission of one HC round with a timed fuse and exploded that round 50' or 100' above the Al Qaeda militia and those Al Qaeda who could would have DEDE.

Then you send in the Marines to bring the alive Americans home.

But that's how we did things over forty some yeas ago. We weren't to politically correct back then. We always believed the value of American lives trump political correctness.
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Originally Posted by bubbabgone

You have a God?

Is it this one?



... or was it just an expression because you don't know what to say?
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Carleen said:
No, omg stands for oh my goodness. I don't believe in god. I have nothing to say about your post.
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Oh my ... where to begin ...

You say the "G" stands for your "goodness" ... in that case wouldn't the picture still hold?

And then you say you have nothing to say about the post ... which confirms the rest of my original comment.

So much can be revealed in so few words.
 
Carleen said:
I'm still waiting for one from a conservative.
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Thanks. Short wait, eh? Who says we don't want to level the playing field - unlike some I won't mention who'd like to flatten it.
 
Hatuey said:
All that diatribe isn't going to move you away from the fact that nobody cares and it isn't going to get Obama impeached. :shrug:
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Think it'll matter in the midterms?
You'll know what the sense is on Capitol Hill when see what more Dems say about Benghazi between now and then.
 
bubbabgone said:
Think it'll matter in the midterms?
You'll know what the sense is on Capitol Hill when see what more Dems say about Benghazi between now and then.
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In 2014? When even less people care about it than they do now? Face it dude, only people who care about this are on the internet. :shrug:. Most of the population wouldn't even know what it was about. Good luck linking it to every other Democrat come 2014.
 
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