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    Re: Democrats Back Away from Obama on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Nixion tried to withhold evidence implicating him.
    True, but implicating him of what ?

    Remember that Nixon had no knowledge of the break in of the DNC HQ's at the Watergate complex until after the story hit the papers that some burglars were arrested while inside the DNC HQ's.

    Nixon didn't order the burglary.

    Nixon lied that he had no knowledge right after the break in that there were those with in the White House reelection committee who may have been involved.

    I wonder what's going through Hillary Rodham Clinton's mind right now when she thinks about how she was part of the radical "New Left" back in 1974 who was behind bringing Nixon down ?

    What comes around goes around. Carma.

    But break ins of your opponents political party offices, inserting spies with in other political parties, wiretapping, etc. have been done by Presidents or those representing President going back to FDR and maybe even further back. Remember back in 1968 when LBJ ordered that Richard M. Nixon plane to be bugged ?

    The thread is about Benghazi and a White House cover up. We can compare Benghazigate to Watergate and Benghazigate sure looks like to be bigger than Watergate. Nobody was murdered during Watergate.

    Benghazigate also puts the MSM under the microscope, did they give Obama another complete pass before the elections ?

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    Re: Democrats Back Away from Obama on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Nixon wasn't going to put America through a Constitutional crisis.

    If you remember back in 1960 when the corpses of Cook County, Ill. rose out of their graves and voted for JFK and Nixon lost the election, Nixon was asked "you know you actually won the election, why don't you contest the election" ? Nixon said he wasn't going to put America through such a crisis.

    It's sad that Al Gore didn't have the dignity that Nixon had.

    If you were around in 1974 you know there were many Americans who wanted Nixon to fight the charges. They believed Nixon should have allowed himself to be Impeached in the House and then fight the charges in the Senate. Many believed that Nixon would be found not guilty.

    Remember, Nixon committed no crime, unlike President Clinton, Nixon never lied under oath. Nixon like Obama lied to the American people get reelected.
    Well I have no first hand recollection of that which predates me, but everything I have heard or read made me think that Nixon knew he was not going to survive which was the only reason he resigned. Either way, I doubt Obama did anything illegal--they just stonewalled to get through the election and now there is nothing that can be done. I suspect Hillary probably did lie under oath, but she is gone now too.

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    Re: Democrats Back Away from Obama on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    How long would it have taken a marine unit to deploy to Libya in that amount of time? Too little too late.
    Try again.....48hrs would be plenty of time from any response out of Europe. There is a whole host of factors that come into play with having 48hrs to decide. Also what does that have to do with not beefing up any security knowing what the Libyans had told them? Which the State Dept refused to do.

    Did you look to see what Countries the Brits were in......inside the Continent of Africa?

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    Re: Democrats Back Away from Obama on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Try again.....48hrs would be plenty of time from any response out of Europe. There is a whole host of factors that come into play with having 48hrs to decide. Also what does that have to do with not beefing up any security knowing what the Libyans had told them? Which the State Dept refused to do.

    Did you look to see what Countries the Brits were in......inside the Continent of Africa?
    How would they have got to the embassy? Helicopter? On foot? Drive there from the airport?

    And when they did get there what could they do? How many attackers were there?

    And who says they did not act on it? They could have taken it into consideration and decided not to act.

    It also helps to remember that funding for their embassy security had been cut.

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    Re: Democrats Back Away from Obama on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    How long would it have taken a marine unit to deploy to Libya in that amount of time? Too little too late.
    One of the questions that the Senate asked, Why was it that the last eleven President before Obama always had a Navy CBG/CSG and a ARG/MEU on station in the 6th Fleet AOR to respond to such an incident ?

    But there was an American Fast Reaction Force one hour away in Sicily. What the hearing will probably reveal that those forces were ordered to stand down and disembark from the aircraft.

    Also their was a British FRF in Tripoli who cantacted the U.S. Government asking if they wanted them to go in to Benghazi and rescue the Americans. No response from the Obama administration.

    Remember this battle in Benghazi went on for over five hours while a UAV flew above the battle and sent live imaging to the White House situation room. The U.S. military commands were also watching the live feed while the battle was taking and place and informed the White House that this was no demonstration over a You Tube Video but a well planned terrorist attack. The next morning the military reported to the White House that the attack was conducted by Al Qaeda militia. But the Obama administration spent two weeks lying to the American people that it wasn't Al Qaeda but just some ordinary Muslims upset over a video.

    There was also DELTA FORCE in Europe one hour away from Benghazi.

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    Re: Democrats Back Away from Obama on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    It's not everyday I get a "thanks" from a liberal. ;- )
    I'm still waiting for one from a conservative.
    "Being President doesn't change who you are, it reveals who you are"

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    Re: Democrats Back Away from Obama on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    How would they have got to the embassy? Helicopter? On foot? Drive there from the airport?

    And when they did get there what could they do? How many attackers were there?

    And who says they did not act on it? They could have taken it into consideration and decided not to act.

    It also helps to remember that funding for their embassy security had been cut.


    Who Says? The CSG!

    Another witness for Wednesday's hearing, Mark Thompson, is a counterterrorism expert. He's likely to address another sore spot surrounding the night of the attacks: the fact that the Obama Administration did not convene its top interagency counterterrorism resource, the Counterterrorism Security Group (CSG). According to Rep. Issa, Thompson will testify that he was locked out of the process "even though he was the individual who was supposed to react to these kinds of things."

    Counterterrorism sources and internal emails reviewed by CBS News express frustration that key responders were ready to deploy, but were not called upon to help in the attack. National Security Council Spokesman Tommy Vietor told CBS News the CSG was not needed.

    "From the moment the president was briefed on the Benghazi attack, the response effort was handled by the most senior national security officials in governments. Members of the CSG were of course involved in these meetings and discussions to support their bosses," said Vietor.

    "The CSG is the one group that's supposed to know what resources every agency has. They know of multiple options and have the ability to coordinate counterterrorism assets across all the agencies," a high-ranking government official told CBS News. "They were not allowed to do their job. They were not called upon."

    Absent coordination from Counterterrorism Security Group, a senior U.S. counterterrorism official says the response to the crisis became more confused. "The response process was isolated at the most senior level," says an official referring to top officials in the executive branch. "My fellow counterterrorism professionals and I (were) not consulted.".....snip~

    Three more officials to testify about Benghazi attacks - CBS News

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    Re: Democrats Back Away from Obama on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    One of the questions that the Senate asked, Why was it that the last eleven President before Obama always had a Navy CBG/CSG and a ARG/MEU on station in the 6th Fleet AOR to respond to such an incident ?

    But there was an American Fast Reaction Force one hour away in Sicily. What the hearing will probably reveal that those forces were ordered to stand down and disembark from the aircraft.

    Also their was a British FRF in Tripoli who cantacted the U.S. Government asking if they wanted them to go in to Benghazi and rescue the Americans. No response from the Obama administration.

    Remember this battle in Benghazi went on for over five hours while a UAV flew above the battle and sent live imaging to the White House situation room. The U.S. military commands were also watching the live feed while the battle was taking and place and informed the White House that this was no demonstration over a You Tube Video b
    ut a well planned terrorist attack. The next morning the military reported to the White House that the attack was conducted by Al Qaeda militia. But the Obama administration spent two weeks lying to the American people that it wasn't Al Qaeda but just some ordinary Muslims upset over a video.

    There was also DELTA FORCE in Europe one hour away from Benghazi.
    What was the situation in the city of of Benghazi? Were there people in the streets.

    Ground transportation would have been delayed by traffic and if delta force flew in by helicopter they would have been sitting ducks to the attackers.

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    Re: Democrats Back Away from Obama on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Either way, I doubt Obama did anything illegal--they just stonewalled to get through the election and now there is nothing that can be done.
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    Dereliction of duty as Cn'C is a serious crime.

    Incompetency is not a crime but President Obama already has a well established track record of not being able to make quick decisions during life or death situations and or other serious decisions that require quick response.

    One of the first examples when the Commander of military forces in Afghanistan requested a troop surge in early 2009. It took Obama over three months to sign off on the troop surghe request while American troops were being killed on the battlefields of Afghanistan.

    Osama bin Laden. U.S. intelligence knew of Bin Ladens compound for eight months before Navy SEAL's went in to eliminate Bin Laden. That Navy SEAL's were ready to go in and get OBL for three month and were actually on two or three occasions were given the go and then were ordered to stand down. Those orders coming from the highest levels of government. (Scuttlebutt is, that it was Valerie Jarrett, Obama's senior advisor who convinced Obama to abort the missions for political reasons.)


    That Obama actually laid the mission on taking out Bin Laden on Leon Panaetta's lap to issue the orders and Panetta dropped it on Adm. McRaven's lap that it was his call so if anything went wrong the Obama administration could blame it on Adm. McRaven and the Navy SEAL's. Someone is incapable of carrying out the duties as Cn'C.

    I noticed that the White House website has changed after the election in November what it use to say about the Bin Laden raid. It use to say that Obama ordered the Navy SEAL's to go in, which is a lie, Adm. McRaven gave the order. The White House website now says that Barack Obama authorised the raid. Now that's closer to the truth. Obama was completely out of the loop when the Navy SEAL's went in and took out Bin Laden.
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    Re: Democrats Back Away from Obama on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    So much for that theory.

    Another witness for Wednesday's hearing, Mark Thompson, is a counterterrorism expert. He's likely to address another sore spot surrounding the night of the attacks: the fact that the Obama Administration did not convene its top interagency counterterrorism resource, the Counterterrorism Security Group (CSG). According to Rep. Issa, Thompson will testify that he was locked out of the process "even though he was the individual who was supposed to react to these kinds of things."

    Counterterrorism sources and internal emails reviewed by CBS News express frustration that key responders were ready to deploy, but were not called upon to help in the attack. National Security Council Spokesman Tommy Vietor told CBS News the CSG was not needed.

    "From the moment the president was briefed on the Benghazi attack, the response effort was handled by the most senior national security officials in governments. Members of the CSG were of course involved in these meetings and discussions to support their bosses," said Vietor.

    "The CSG is the one group that's supposed to know what resources every agency has. They know of multiple options and have the ability to coordinate counterterrorism assets across all the agencies," a high-ranking government official told CBS News. "They were not allowed to do their job. They were not called upon."

    Absent coordination from Counterterrorism Security Group, a senior U.S. counterterrorism official says the response to the crisis became more confused. "The response process was isolated at the most senior level," says an official referring to top officials in the executive branch. "My fellow counterterrorism professionals and I (were) not consulted.".....snip~

    Three more officials to testify about Benghazi attacks - CBS News

    "Oh" and Stevens was Meeting a Turkish Envoy and was seen on the Street with him In front of the Consulate. See he had to meet the Turks Envoy.....Cuz the Turks had pulled their Ambassador out when the after the Conflict with Gadhafi had jumped off. It is alleged that Steven's was meeting with the Turk over weapons to Syria. Especially after a Libyan Freighter showed up 5 days earlier than the attack on Benghazi. On the Shores of Syria. Then it was known that somehow the Syrian Rebels had gotten a hold of ManPads outta of Libya. Which we know that Clinton had testified that was what was a concern and being held in the CIA Safehouse. That they were trying to round up what Gadhafi had.....on specifically ManPads.

    Bottomline is.....now the MSMedia are the ones carrying it all forward. So far CBS, ABC, and CNN. Lions Tigers and Bears....."Oh My"!
    Interesting but until the expert testifies under oath and all sides get to question him taking the word of Issa seems a bit much for now.

    As for the meeting, why in the much less secure consulate and why on the anniversary of 9-11?

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