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Obama Aide On Syria: 'If He Drops Sarin On His Own People, What’s That Got Do With Us

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President Barack Obama got ahead of himself and his advisers when he said that Syria using chemical weapons would cross a "red line," the New York Times reports.

Obama Aide On Syria's Assad: 'If He Drops Sarin On His Own People, What

Isn't it vunderful to have the journ-O-lists cover your doo-doo's? Have to admit, they do a bang up job covering his arse.


“How can we attack another country unless it’s in self-defense and with no Security Council resolution?” an unnamed Obama administration official tells the paper. “If he drops sarin on his own people, what’s that got to do with us?”
How can we? Well... to use a phrase you're familiar with buddy... Yes We Can. Just as Obama did in Libya.
Did Obama go to Libya without Congressional approval? Yes he did. He doesn't need the corrupt UN.

As for the comment... it doesn't exactly elicit a position of strength.

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Again, I come back to one of my favorite weird comedians, Eddie Izzard...

"But if you kill your OWN people, we're kind of FINE with that.... 'Oh help yourself... we don't care, hell we've been trying to kill you for AGES..."



 
Re: Obama Aide On Syria: 'If He Drops Sarin On His Own People, What’s That Got Do Wit

Isn't it vunderful to have the journ-O-lists cover your doo-doo's? have to admit, they do a bang up job covering his arse.


How can we? Well... to use a phrase you're familiar with buddy... Yes We Can. Just as Obama did in Libya.
Did Obama go to Libya without Congressional approval? Yes he did. He doesn't need the corrupt UN.

As for the comment... it doesn't exactly elicit a position of strength.

That was an ill-advised comment. On the other hand, we don't know which side used sarin. Should we get involved with helping the rebels, who may have used the sarin, and some of whom have al Qaeda ties? Or should we back the Assad regime, who are enemies of Israel and support Hezbollah?

Only in your world is it black and white.
 
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Isn't it vunderful to have the journ-O-lists cover your doo-doo's? Have to admit, they do a bang up job covering his arse.



How can we? Well... to use a phrase you're familiar with buddy... Yes We Can. Just as Obama did in Libya.
Did Obama go to Libya without Congressional approval? Yes he did. He doesn't need the corrupt UN.

As for the comment... it doesn't exactly elicit a position of strength.

obama_wimp_newsweek_not_romney2.jpg

I find it hard to take anything an unnamed official from either side says seriously. Did someone just make it up to sell a story?
 
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That was an ill-advised comment.
Yes they were. Could you elevate them both to very stupid and dangerous?

We're talking about the power of the United States of America.

1. Obama's comment was fully idiotic if he didn't have the balls to back up the talk. It makes him look like The Wimp we all feared he is.

2. The "administration official" adds fuel to the NY Times retraction of Obama's "red line" comment and makes his administration look even more wimpy.


It seems this is all a little above Obama's pay grade. Send him back to the circus we know as Chicago. But... what would we have on deck... Joe Halfwit. I think I know where Obama has been getting his foreign policy advice... straight from Joe Halfwit... isn't that why O picked the zero?

Only in your world is it black and white.
My point isn't whether we should or shouldn't. It's how this makes America look... which is unresolved.

Had both kept their yaps shut, there would be no issue... but they didn't. Loose lips sink ships. Team Obama shot themselves in the foot. Unforced error.

Rookie mistake. The kid isn't ready for prime time.
 
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Again, I come back to one of my favorite weird comedians, Eddie Izzard...

"But if you kill your OWN people, we're kind of FINE with that.... 'Oh help yourself... we don't care, hell we've been trying to kill you for AGES..."


Ahhh damn... now I'm gonna end up watching Eddie for another couple hours...
 
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I find it hard to take anything an unnamed official from either side says seriously. Did someone just make it up to sell a story?

Anonymous sources... have their purposes. Remember Deep Throat, especially on Wednesday.

If someone made this up, you can bet the Journ-O-lists will be all over it. They can't stand having their boy taking a beating.
 
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How can we? Well... to use a phrase you're familiar with buddy... Yes We Can. Just as Obama did in Libya.
Did Obama go to Libya without Congressional approval? Yes he did. He doesn't need the corrupt UN.

Actually, there are a few things wrong with your statement. First off, we would really need to make an actual case for it. Perhaps you can explain to us where in our constitution it allows the president to attack other countries for human rights abuses within their borders. One thing the powers granted to the executive do allow him, or perhaps her someday, to do is to assist in upholding military treaties like those with the members of the UN. Where libya was a UN action which the US has become a part of and helps support through military actions it becomes a part of what the president does. However, since the UN has not launched some form of military action in Syria it wants the US to assist with the situations are entirely different. But feel free to ignore that reality as you often do when it is inconvenient to your ill conceived point.
As for the comment... it doesn't exactly elicit a position of strength.

If you want a guy who succumbs to pointless taunts about his limp wrist you are about 5 years too late. Since you feel that all of this needs some immediate armed support perhaps you should man up and go fight. obama may have restrictions on declaring war on sovereign nations for no reason, but you are free to go fight them yourself. Please show us how a man with a strong wrist acts by doing it yourself instead of demanding the US go into another war so you don't feel limp wristed.
 
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Actually, there are a few things wrong with your statement. First off, we would really need to make an actual case for it. Perhaps you can explain to us where in our constitution it allows the president to attack other countries for human rights abuses within their borders. One thing the powers granted to the executive do allow him, or perhaps her someday, to do is to assist in upholding military treaties like those with the members of the UN. Where libya was a UN action which the US has become a part of and helps support through military actions it becomes a part of what the president does. However, since the UN has not launched some form of military action in Syria it wants the US to assist with the situations are entirely different. But feel free to ignore that reality as you often do when it is inconvenient to your ill conceived point.


If you want a guy who succumbs to pointless taunts about his limp wrist you are about 5 years too late. Since you feel that all of this needs some immediate armed support perhaps you should man up and go fight. obama may have restrictions on declaring war on sovereign nations for no reason, but you are free to go fight them yourself. Please show us how a man with a strong wrist acts by doing it yourself instead of demanding the US go into another war so you don't feel limp wristed.

I think it's worthy to note that Russia and China are preventing the UN from doing anything in Syria... so yeah, Obama can't really do much when the commies won't vote for the resolution.

that said, Obama should have never drawn a line in the sand if he didn't intend to enforce it....his mouth overran his brain.
 
Re: Obama Aide On Syria: 'If He Drops Sarin On His Own People, What’s That Got Do Wit

Isn't it vunderful to have the journ-O-lists cover your doo-doo's? Have to admit, they do a bang up job covering his arse.



How can we? Well... to use a phrase you're familiar with buddy... Yes We Can. Just as Obama did in Libya.
Did Obama go to Libya without Congressional approval? Yes he did. He doesn't need the corrupt UN.

As for the comment... it doesn't exactly elicit a position of strength.

obama_wimp_newsweek_not_romney2.jpg

Even I, a conservative, wouldn't say what's the big deal about dropping chemical weapons on the people a president is supposed to lead and protect. However, I think the US should let Israel deal with Syria. They seem to be doing just fine by themselves.
 
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"How can we attack another country unless it’s in self-defense and with no Security Council resolution?”

^^^
Yes! How can we? Isnt our military only supposed to be us in defense of the US!?
 
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I think it's worthy to note that Russia and China are preventing the UN from doing anything in Syria... so yeah, Obama can't really do much when the commies won't vote for the resolution.

So we stay out of it. The UN doesn't want to move, and so we would end up alone in the conflict just like in Iraq and afganistan and we know how well those turned out. The safety and lives of the people of syria are not US concern or responsibility. Isn't the right the side that bitches every time the US supports the UN? Now all of a sudden you are OK with the US entering the war to back the UN if it goes? Or is this another one of those completely obvious double edged swords where the moment the UN decides to go into syria and Obama joins them you will immediately Romney and pretend you opposed going into syria all along and Obama is horrible for doing so.

You do that crap enough it is pretty obvious that any time you take a position we know you will flip flop and go after Obama the moment he sides with you. It is so bad i wish Obama would go against gun control just to watch the NRA's collective heads explode.

that said, Obama should have never drawn a line in the sand if he didn't intend to enforce it....his mouth overran his brain.

Words are words, and he doesn't have to back up his if he doesn't want to. Besides, the moment he did att5empt to back up those words with the military you would be all over him for doing it. There is nothing the guy can do right so why even bother taking issue with any specific things anymore? We know you do not care about syria, chemical weapons, or even his threats. You just want to insult Obama and will go against any and all of your values to do so. What is really amazing is that Obama is the Bush that Bush wishes he was. maybe that is why you hate him so much. he showed you how to be a republican.
 
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So we stay out of it. The UN doesn't want to move, and so we would end up alone in the conflict just like in Iraq and afganistan and we know how well those turned out. The safety and lives of the people of syria are not US concern or responsibility. Isn't the right the side that bitches every time the US supports the UN? Now all of a sudden you are OK with the US entering the war to back the UN if it goes? Or is this another one of those completely obvious double edged swords where the moment the UN decides to go into syria and Obama joins them you will immediately Romney and pretend you opposed going into syria all along and Obama is horrible for doing so.

You do that crap enough it is pretty obvious that any time you take a position we know you will flip flop and go after Obama the moment he sides with you. It is so bad i wish Obama would go against gun control just to watch the NRA's collective heads explode.



Words are words, and he doesn't have to back up his if he doesn't want to. Besides, the moment he did att5empt to back up those words with the military you would be all over him for doing it. There is nothing the guy can do right so why even bother taking issue with any specific things anymore? We know you do not care about syria, chemical weapons, or even his threats. You just want to insult Obama and will go against any and all of your values to do so. What is really amazing is that Obama is the Bush that Bush wishes he was. maybe that is why you hate him so much. he showed you how to be a republican.

I don't support action in Syria.
I love the fact that you spend time to concoct a false story only to have your idiot narrative defeated in a matter of a single sentence.



you still don't know the difference between a Libertarian and a Republican?...go forth and educate yourself ,child.
 
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I don't support action in Syria.

First off, I don't buy that. You clearly have romnesia, but let us pretend like you are honest and that claim isn't full of crap. What is the problem then? You don't want action in syria so why bitch that obama isn't charging into syria? He is doing what you want, and this just lends more credit to my claims that you are full of crap because it doesn't matter that he does what you want him to do, it just matters that you complain. What was the point of making the commie comment if you agree with the commies stopping anything from happening? If this move had nothing to do with communism there was no purpose in mentioning it, and if it does have something to do with communism then you are agreeing with the commies.

I love the fact that you spend time to concoct a false story only to have your idiot narrative defeated in a matter of a single sentence.

I love the fact you don't seem to recognize that you are agreeing with obama and the commies not getting involved with syria. You do it while pretending you are opposed to both sides, but admitting they are doing the right think by keeping the UN out of it. This is serious romnesia. When you have completely disagreed with yourself in a couple of sentences you have a problem. You can try to blame me, Obama, the news, democrats, or whoever you like, but you are contradicting yourself and you don't even know what you believe anymore because of your problems.

But feel free to prove me wrong, just simply say you agree with the commies and obama staying out of syria. You have already agreed, just put them both in the same sentence.


you still don't know the difference between a Libertarian and a Republican?...go forth and educate yourself ,child.

You are not a libertarian, though you may call yourself one. The conservative right is not libertarian even though they agree with libs on the issue of gun control. You are a right wing fascist which puts you clearly in the republican camp. BTW I know a few libertarians and they would probably shoot you for trying to cross the lines. They are not terribly fond of reps right now for totally subverting their message and pretending to be libertarian.
 
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First off, I don't buy that. You clearly have romnesia, but let us pretend like you are honest and that claim isn't full of crap. What is the problem then? You don't want action in syria so why bitch that obama isn't charging into syria? He is doing what you want, and this just lends more credit to my claims that you are full of crap because it doesn't matter that he does what you want him to do, it just matters that you complain. What was the point of making the commie comment if you agree with the commies stopping anything from happening? If this move had nothing to do with communism there was no purpose in mentioning it, and if it does have something to do with communism then you are agreeing with the commies.

I have stated my position, that you don't buy it is meaningless.... anything else you make up in your head is on you, not me.





I love the fact you don't seem to recognize that you are agreeing with obama and the commies not getting involved with syria. You do it while pretending you are opposed to both sides, but admitting they are doing the right think by keeping the UN out of it. This is serious romnesia. When you have completely disagreed with yourself in a couple of sentences you have a problem. You can try to blame me, Obama, the news, democrats, or whoever you like, but you are contradicting yourself and you don't even know what you believe anymore because of your problems.
there is no contradiction in my position.... whatever your mind has concocted is of no importance
But feel free to prove me wrong, just simply say you agree with the commies and obama staying out of syria. You have already agreed, just put them both in the same sentence.

I have already proven you wrong.



You are not a libertarian, though you may call yourself one. The conservative right is not libertarian even though they agree with libs on the issue of gun control. You are a right wing fascist which puts you clearly in the republican camp. BTW I know a few libertarians and they would probably shoot you for trying to cross the lines. They are not terribly fond of reps right now for totally subverting their message and pretending to be libertarian.


I'm a Libertarian and your disagreement with that fact is irrelevant.


right wing fascist :lol:... what a marooon.

you know libertarians who would shoot me if i were a Republican pretending to be a libertarian?....do you generally associate with murderous sociopaths or are you lying ,as usual?
 
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I have stated my position, that you don't buy it is meaningless.... anything else you make up in your head is on you, not me.

Yes, you have stated your opinion that the commies and obama are bad for stopping the UN from going into syria while you completely agree with not going into syria. Yes, none of that problem is you at all.

there is no contradiction in my position.... whatever your mind has concocted is of no importance

Of course not, it is quite logical to oppose going into syria while opposing opposition to going into syria. Nothing contradictory at all in that. I am completely wrong in finding contradiction in two completely contradictory expressions of yours.

I have already proven you wrong.

Yup yup, I have totally been proven wrong about you contradicting yourself.
I'm a Libertarian and your disagreement with that fact is irrelevant.

No really, I am sure you are well aware of what you are doing and not living in a contradictory state that would make your opinions of your stance completely irrelevant.

right wing fascist :lol:... what a marooon.

I don't think that word means what you think it means.
you know libertarians who would shoot me if i were a Republican pretending to be a libertarian?....do you generally associate with murderous sociopaths or are you lying ,as usual?

You have certainly corrected me by making unsupported statements based on your flawed opinions. I am not exactly sure why I was confused about your stance before. you have proven who and what you are beyond a shadow of a doubt at this point. Just don't get too angry at me for being smart enough to see your contradictions and lack of knowledge where you are unable to do so.
 
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A possible new wrinkle to the purported use of chemical weapons:

From Reuters:

U.N. human rights investigators have gathered testimony from casualties of Syria's civil war and medical staff indicating that rebel forces have used the nerve agent sarin, one of the lead investigators said on Sunday...

President Bashar al-Assad's government and the rebels accuse each another of carrying out three chemical weapon attacks, one near Aleppo and another near Damascus, both in March, and another in Homs in December.


U.N. has testimony that Syrian rebels used sarin gas: investigator | Reuters

At this time, I still believe the lack of compelling U.S. interests in Syria's civil war argues against U.S. intervention. This new information, if confirmed, would highlight the ugliness of ethnic conflicts where the particpants often show little restraint when it comes to weapons use.
 
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Even I, a conservative, wouldn't say what's the big deal about dropping chemical weapons on the people a president is supposed to lead and protect. However, I think the US should let Israel deal with Syria. They seem to be doing just fine by themselves.

I think we can agree it was idiotic of Obama to talk about a red line, and then running away from it. Add then the boner by some dimwit in his administration about the use of sarin... not a good week.
 
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I think we can agree it was idiotic of Obama to talk about a red line, and then running away from it. Add then the boner by some dimwit in his administration about the use of sarin... not a good week.

The only "red line" should be whether the critical interests of the U.S. or strategic U.S. allies are threatened. If not, the U.S. should stay out of the civil war that is being waged by two brutal parties to the conflict, none of which has indicated in any credible fashion that they would adopt policies more compatible with U.S. interests in the region, strive for peace with Israel, etc.
 
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The obvious answer is we absolutely SHOULD intervene. Or...shouldnt. It depends on what Obama actually does before anyone will take a truly definitive stand.
 
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A possible new wrinkle to the purported use of chemical weapons:

From Reuters:

U.N. human rights investigators have gathered testimony from casualties of Syria's civil war and medical staff indicating that rebel forces have used the nerve agent sarin, one of the lead investigators said on Sunday...

President Bashar al-Assad's government and the rebels accuse each another of carrying out three chemical weapon attacks, one near Aleppo and another near Damascus, both in March, and another in Homs in December.


U.N. has testimony that Syrian rebels used sarin gas: investigator | Reuters

At this time, I still believe the lack of compelling U.S. interests in Syria's civil war argues against U.S. intervention. This new information, if confirmed, would highlight the ugliness of ethnic conflicts where the particpants often show little restraint when it comes to weapons use.


C'mon people, you should know better than to post this. After all, this suggests Obama was right in waiting to investigate instead of just charging into Syria with guns blazing. Republicans simply cannot have anything good when it comes to President Obama. Heck, the first source is an article from an Israeli source, so you're not even allowing them the opportunity to criticize the "lamestream media", especially after Republicans have told us how much the Israeli people have to hate President Obama since he's been the worst President in showing support for Israel.

You really should know better.
 
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Yes, you have stated your opinion that the commies and obama are bad for stopping the UN from going into syria while you completely agree with not going into syria. Yes, none of that problem is you at all.
I said no such thing...you are lying.


Of course not, it is quite logical to oppose going into syria while opposing opposition to going into syria. Nothing contradictory at all in that. I am completely wrong in finding contradiction in two completely contradictory expressions of yours.
I oppose going into Syria, that is all... nothing more.... stop lying.


Yup yup, I have totally been proven wrong about you contradicting yourself.
only in your fantasyland of a mind... i have made no contradiction... not one.


No really, I am sure you are well aware of what you are doing and not living in a contradictory state that would make your opinions of your stance completely irrelevant.
there is no contradiction,... as usual, you are wrong.

I don't think that word means what you think it means.
I don't think you know what lots of words mean.

You have certainly corrected me by making unsupported statements based on your flawed opinions. I am not exactly sure why I was confused about your stance before. you have proven who and what you are beyond a shadow of a doubt at this point. Just don't get too angry at me for being smart enough to see your contradictions and lack of knowledge where you are unable to do so.
you confuse being smart with being a blatantly dishonest.... there was no contradiction... you simply lied and made **** up about me... that's all there is to this little drama you concocted.
 
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That was an ill-advised comment. On the other hand, we don't know which side used sarin. Should we get involved with helping the rebels, who may have used the sarin, and some of whom have al Qaeda ties? Or should we back the Assad regime, who are enemies of Israel and support Hezbollah?

Only in your world is it black and white.

From what I understand the rebels do not have that capability, that is unless they were able to steal some from Aasad's stockpiles and if they could do that.........? Personally, I am in no hurry to get involved in Syria, sure Aasad is despicable and has the backing of Iran. But the rebels are made up of approximately 20% AQ. U.S. interests in Syria may be doomed regardless of which side wins as each side may very well end up being strongly anti U.S.

This may very be a case where just letting them fight it out is the best strategy while doing every thing we can to help Jordan and Turkey, which are our allies and friends.
 
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From what I understand the rebels do not have that capability, that is unless they were able to steal some from Aasad's stockpiles and if they could do that.........? Personally, I am in no hurry to get involved in Syria, sure Aasad is despicable and has the backing of Iran. But the rebels are made up of approximately 20% AQ. U.S. interests in Syria may be doomed regardless of which side wins as each side may very well end up being strongly anti U.S.

This may very be a case where just letting them fight it out is the best strategy while doing every thing we can to help Jordan and Turkey, which are our allies and friends.

They've stolen other weapons from the government. So I don't know why not sarin.

And I agree, let them kill each other. It's a no-win situation for us.
 
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