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    Re: Obama Aide On Syria: 'If He Drops Sarin On His Own People, What’s That Got Do Wit

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    But, this thread isn't about going to war, it is about the administration sending out signals of weakness. About putting a line in the sand PUBLICLY and then backtracking.
    Uhh...

    It's possible the Syrian regime didn't use the chemical weapons, but rather the others did. At best, we aren't sure who used them. The President has constantly said more investigation is necessary.

    How is that a signal of weakness?

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    Re: Obama Aide On Syria: 'If He Drops Sarin On His Own People, What’s That Got Do Wit

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Uhh...



    It's possible the Syrian regime didn't use the chemical weapons, but rather the others did. At best, we aren't sure who used them. The President has constantly said more investigation is necessary.

    How is that a signal of weakness?
    He moved the red line... even the press has noticed it.

    That, and the unnamed dimwit within his administration who made the moronic comment about sarin and the Syrians reveal a position of weakness. Just as Clinton's finger wagging and doing nothing time-after-time-after-time signaled weakness.

    Even the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Communists) got it right!
    On Tuesday, Obama again confirmed "we have evidence there has been use of chemical weapons inside Syria."
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2...ama-syria.html



    He also said that America has "a moral obligation" to help end the bloody civil war there, but then he went on to say that he wasn't about to organize an international response without clear proof of who's to blame.


    "I don't make decisions based on 'perceived' and I can't organize international coalitions around 'perceived,'" he told reporters.


    "We've tried that in the past, by the way," referring to Iraq's supposed cache of weapons of mass destruction, "and it didn't work out well."


    Now, Obama may have been misguided when he first used the term red line as far back as August in the run-up to the presidential election.


    Once you draw such a line, you look ineffective if you don't act when it's been crossed.
    Analysis of the comment in red. That is called fighting the last war. He is applying circumstances of one battle that do not connect with another. Yes, you should learn from other battles, but this is very, very different. It's a civil war brought about by the uprising of its own people.

    It is more akin to the French assist America to defeat the English, than ousting a totalitarian who lost a war, did not disarm, had 17 useless UN Resolutions and after 911 was a threat to pass WMD to terrorists. Hans Blix believed he had WMD... so we acted after giving Saddam one final chance.
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    Re: Obama Aide On Syria: 'If He Drops Sarin On His Own People, What’s That Got Do Wit

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    He moved the red line... even the press has noticed it.
    He did? In what way? Do we have proof that Assad's forces were the ones who used the chemical weapons? Furthermore, did Obama say in that press conference we would go to war with Syria if they did use the weapons?

    Once more, Republicans are manufacturing something which never existed to criticize the President.

    Even the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Communists) got it right!
    Even they got it right? Are you telling me they are generally not a reputable source, unless they say what you want to hear?

    That is called fighting the last war. He is applying circumstances of one battle that do not connect with another. Yes, you should learn from other battles, but this is very, very different. It's a civil war brought about by the uprising of its own people.
    So...because we charged into Iraq without determining if the evidence is true, that has no bearing on whether we should charge into Syria without determining if the evidence is true?

    Like I said, this is nothing more than a bunch of nonsense and I truly feel sorry for those who don't see this for the political attack that it is.

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    Re: Obama Aide On Syria: 'If He Drops Sarin On His Own People, What’s That Got Do Wit

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    He did? In what way? Do we have proof that Assad's forces were the ones who used the chemical weapons? Furthermore, did Obama say in that press conference we would go to war with Syria if they did use the weapons?
    It seems you have difficulty reading very large type. Let's try again... shall we?

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2...ama-syria.html

    Once you draw such a line, you look ineffective if you don't act when it's been crossed.

    Once more, Republicans are manufacturing something which never existed to criticize the President.
    Is the CBC misquoting Obama, and I did not realize the Canadian Broadcasting Communists (CBC) were Republicans.

    Even they got it right? Are you telling me they are generally not a reputable source, unless they say what you want to hear?
    Most of the press are a bunch of Der Stuermer styled propagandists for Obama. It's how he got elected. I'm in Europe at the moment, and there isn't a word about Obama and Benghazi. I spend a lot of time in that Socialist Paradise, and can tell you... if it was Bush 43... it would have been 24/7/365 coverage.

    So...because we charged into Iraq without determining if the evidence is true, that has no bearing on whether we should charge into Syria without determining if the evidence is true?
    You cannot seriously be that thick.
    Let's see...

    1. Saddam had a lot of WMD and used them.
    2. Saddam lost a war.
    3. As part of the agreement he signed as the loser, he was to disarm.
    4. He played games for 12-years.
    5. The UN Oil for Food program was corrupt to the core.
    6. He was selling oil illegally through Turkey.
    7. He kicked out the UN Inspectors and we had no idea what he was up to or years.
    8. Hans Blix did not believe he was disarmed.
    9. We gave Saddam 17 UN Resolutions and one last chance... and after 911 the threat of him servicing terrorists was real... for example... Sarin isn't that complex for a state like Iraq to produce.



    Like I said, this is nothing more than a bunch of nonsense and I truly feel sorry for those who don't see this for the political attack that it is.
    The "nonsense" is all yours.

    1. You ignore the words of Obama himself.
    2. You do not know your history.
    3. You have a tooth fairy world view where there is an election, there is a terror attack, 4 dead Americans... troops are told to stand down, and the administration lies and deceives telling us it was a video (on 911 of all dates) because it would have exploded their world view regarding terrorism and likely cost Obama the election.

    The coverup will be the killer, as it was for Nixon.
    And nobody died during Watergate.
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    Re: Obama Aide On Syria: 'If He Drops Sarin On His Own People, What’s That Got Do Wit

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I have no illusion of the horrors of war, and war should never be at "the drop of a dime."

    It is the Demokrats that have used war for purposes of political expediency.

    The Demokrats voted to send troops to Iraq because they knew the public saw them as weak on matters of national security. Then, when the troops needed their backs covered, when they needed their support the most, all but one Demokrat turned and two-fisted knives in their backs. There is nothing lower than that... it is the absolute bottom of the barrel... equal to the perverts that locked up those girls for 10-years. That is the Moderne Demokrat Partei. They are beyond disgusting.

    But, this thread isn't about going to war, it is about the administration sending out signals of weakness. About putting a line in the sand PUBLICLY and then backtracking.

    It's a little like Clinton's continual finger wagging and doing nothing... which only emboldened the terrorists as they believed we were pussies, and there would be little to no consequences for their actions.

    THAT is dangerous.

    For a guy who claimed he had such great judgment, many have learned (and many knew before his election), that Obama is highly deficient in that department.
    When did President Obama ever say boots would be on the ground if Syria used chemicals? Can you quote that story? He never said it. He said there would be consequences. He didn't say military action would be taken. We have no idea what is going on behind the scenes. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for, if anything, the fact that he isn't sending me to another useless war.

    You can point the finger at the Dems all you want for sending us to war so they wouldn't appear weak. There's a reason the GOP appeared "stronger" than them to begin with. Because they're all neo-cons and have no issue sending others to do their political bidding. I don't know how anyone would think a politician appears strong for voting to send others to a war when the majority of them avoided Vietnam. IMO, all of them are weak. Including John McCain. He should know better than anyone the horrors he sends us to experience. Yet, he does it anyway. He's more morally corrupt than the rest of the draft dodgers up there.
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    Re: Obama Aide On Syria: 'If He Drops Sarin On His Own People, What’s That Got Do Wit

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    It seems you have difficulty reading very large type. Let's try again... shall we?
    This is what they call irony.

    I'll repeat. How do you know the red line has been crossed? Furthermore, what did Obama say would happen if it was? This isn't hard, but since you know the answers completely kill your partisan attacks, you will not post the answers.

    Is the CBC misquoting Obama, and I did not realize the Canadian Broadcasting Communists (CBC) were Republicans.
    Uh, the CBC are not the ones who keep bringing this up. But way to avoid the issue.

    Most of the press are a bunch of Der Stuermer styled propagandists for Obama. It's how he got elected. I'm in Europe at the moment, and there isn't a word about Obama and Benghazi. I spend a lot of time in that Socialist Paradise, and can tell you... if it was Bush 43... it would have been 24/7/365 coverage.
    And again, you completely ignore a direct statement/question and go off on some random tangent. Could you please just answer my question?

    "Even they got it right? Are you telling me they are generally not a reputable source, unless they say what you want to hear?"

    You cannot seriously be that thick.
    Again, irony rears its ugly head.
    Let's see...

    1. Saddam had a lot of WMD and used them.
    2. Saddam lost a war.
    3. As part of the agreement he signed as the loser, he was to disarm.
    4. He played games for 12-years.
    5. The UN Oil for Food program was corrupt to the core.
    6. He was selling oil illegally through Turkey.
    7. He kicked out the UN Inspectors and we had no idea what he was up to or years.
    8. Hans Blix did not believe he was disarmed.
    9. We gave Saddam 17 UN Resolutions and one last chance... and after 911 the threat of him servicing terrorists was real... for example... Sarin isn't that complex for a state like Iraq to produce.
    1. Once more, you post completely irrelevant information. This is starting to become a real problem.


    We know there were no WMDs found in Iraq. The idea we should invade Syria before there is conclusive evidence because it's a different country than the last time we did is absurd.

    Do you think you could stay on point just once?

    The "nonsense" is all yours.

    1. You ignore the words of Obama himself.
    On the contrary, I'm adhering to his words. You're making up things he never said. Obama never said we would go to war with Assad. Obama has never once said we wouldn't go to war with Assad if we had 100% proof. Obama has made it the policy that if it is 100% confirmed that the Syrian regime used chemical weapons, then Obama would have to seriously reconsider his current position (the position at the time he gave the press conference).

    2. You do not know your history.
    In my experiences, there are two kinds of history. There is real history, which people who are above taking sides based upon a letter behind someone's name use, and the revisionist history based on party politics, which is the history you now seem to live in.
    3. You have a tooth fairy world view where there is an election, there is a terror attack, 4 dead Americans... troops are told to stand down, and the administration lies and deceives telling us it was a video (on 911 of all dates) because it would have exploded their world view regarding terrorism and likely cost Obama the election.
    Once more, you bring in irrelevant information to this thread, simply because you cannot stand the fact the Democrat won the election. Maybe one day you'll learn to be a little more objective, and then you'll understand why it's hard for me to take what you're saying right now seriously.

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    Re: Obama Aide On Syria: 'If He Drops Sarin On His Own People, What’s That Got Do Wit

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    When did President Obama ever say boots would be on the ground if Syria used chemicals? Can you quote that story? He never said it. He said there would be consequences. He didn't say military action would be taken. We have no idea what is going on behind the scenes. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for, if anything, the fact that he isn't sending me to another useless war.
    Vice President Joe Biden on March 4:

    Because we recognize the great danger Assad’s chemical and biological arsenals pose to Israel and the United States, to the whole world, we’ve set a clear red line against the use or the transfer of the those weapons.
    Obama March 21:

    I’ve made it clear to Bashar al-Assad and all who follow his orders: We will not tolerate the use of chemical weapons against the Syrian people, or the transfer of those weapons to terrorists. The world is watching; we will hold you accountable.
    What is a "Red Line"? Wagging your finger like Clinton? UN Resolutions?
    C'mon... you cannot be that naive.

    OBAMA'S RED LINE RESPONSE TO BASTARD-ASSAD





    You can point the finger at the Dems all you want for sending us to war so they wouldn't appear weak. There's a reason the GOP appeared "stronger" than them to begin with.
    Of course there is. It is because the anti-American left has been hostile to our military, intel services, and border security for decades.

    I don't know how anyone would think a politician appears strong for voting to send others to a war when the majority of them avoided Vietnam.
    Well... that was the Disgusting Demokrats that voted against their conscience, and then turned and stabbed our troops in the back... for political expediency... for purely political purposes. Only one stood his ground and his party tried to take him out.

    IMO, all of them are weak. Including John McCain. He should know better than anyone the horrors he sends us to experience. Yet, he does it anyway. He's more morally corrupt than the rest of the draft dodgers up there.
    You sure you are a Marine?
    You sure you are a Tpartier?
    Sure doesn't sound like it.
    You come across a little as I do when posting gingerly in Democratic Underground.

    War is sometimes necessary. If you are in the Marines... thanks you for your service... but it sounds to me like you are in the wrong job.
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    Re: Obama Aide On Syria: 'If He Drops Sarin On His Own People, What’s That Got Do Wit

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    What is a "Red Line"? Wagging your finger like Clinton? UN Resolutions?
    C'mon... you cannot be that naive.

    OBAMA'S RED LINE RESPONSE TO BASTARD-ASSAD






    Of course there is. It is because the anti-American left has been hostile to our military, intel services, and border security for decades.


    Well... that was the Disgusting Demokrats that voted against their conscience, and then turned and stabbed our troops in the back... for political expediency... for purely political purposes. Only one stood his ground and his party tried to take him out.


    You sure you are a Marine?
    You sure you are a Tpartier?
    Sure doesn't sound like it.
    You come across a little as I do when posting gingerly in Democratic Underground.

    War is sometimes necessary. If you are in the Marines... thanks you for your service... but it sounds to me like you are in the wrong job.
    War has not been necessary for this country since WWII. I will say I could see the logic in Desert Storm. Other than that, it's all been globe trotting political hogwash that has sent us to war. This isn't the fault of one party or the other. This is the fault of ALL politicians. You seem to think the Republicans can do no wrong. HA! Republicans put us in this mess of a country just as much as Dems did. THAT is a true Tea Partier. Not one of these fascist "Tea Partiers" that think we should impose Christian law upon all (Jesus never wanted His beliefs enforced on all), that everyone that doesn't believe the way they do is a socialist, and Obama is Kenyan. Sounds like a description of you. The Tea Party orginally started during the Bush years as a mainly libertarian movement that didn't believe our fiscal or foreign policy's were working. Do your homework before you throw accusations around noob. Also, I feel no need to explain my military service to you bro. I know what I've done, I know what I still do.

    I'll go ahead and include you in that group of cowards as well. Quick to send someone to war for the latest political cause. Here's some questions for you. What do we gain by going in to Syria? How is America safer? What interest(s) is protected by us going in there?
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    Re: Obama Aide On Syria: 'If He Drops Sarin On His Own People, What’s That Got Do Wit

    What's dangerous here is that the rebels may have sarin.

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    Re: Obama Aide On Syria: 'If He Drops Sarin On His Own People, What’s That Got Do Wit

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    From what I understand the rebels do not have that capability, that is unless they were able to steal some from Aasad's stockpiles and if they could do that.........? Personally, I am in no hurry to get involved in Syria, sure Aasad is despicable and has the backing of Iran. But the rebels are made up of approximately 20% AQ. U.S. interests in Syria may be doomed regardless of which side wins as each side may very well end up being strongly anti U.S.

    This may very be a case where just letting them fight it out is the best strategy while doing every thing we can to help Jordan and Turkey, which are our allies and friends.
    Good morning again, Pero!

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